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Spent today driving the new V12V S on road and track!

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Old Dec 12, 2013 | 10:16 PM
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oh i see you like knowing when the gear change has taken place as opposed to seemless shifts.....i now see your point
 
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RossL
The Scud and Superleggera both shift lightning fast but the transmission doesn't take away the emotion and enjoyment of driving. A manual is still better but in a different way. The DCT are too perfect if that makes sense. I had an M3 DCT for 3 months before I sold it. I loved it for about a week and couldn't believe how perfect it was. After the week and about 1,000 miles I was just driving around in automatic because the shifts were boring. The Scud's F1 Superfast is lightning fast, visceral and snaps your body into the seat on hard shifts. Everyone that has been in or driven my car always comments on the gearbox first followed by the sound.

That might be the root of the problem with Aston's tranny. People expect a bit of neck snapping with the Ferrari or Lambo, but the Aston's forte is smooth and elegant. Even if the tranny was on par with the F1, etc., the expectation is for a much more...civilized approach.

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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer_X
If forced to choose, I would take on the additional 50kg if it meant having a transmission that is on par with the rest of the car, and I hate the idea of adding weight!
For 50kg? not a chance. The new transmission is pretty awesome. Forget about all you read and go drive it. There is a true mechanical charm about it that really goes with its character. My 2009 SS transmission feels completely antiquated compared. This really isnt a track car (although its perfectly happy doing that). Rather, its a total package that is completely usable everyday with minimal compromises.
 
Old Dec 15, 2013 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scottblack
That might be the root of the problem with Aston's tranny. People expect a bit of neck snapping with the Ferrari or Lambo, but the Aston's forte is smooth and elegant. Even if the tranny was on par with the F1, etc., the expectation is for a much more...civilized approach.

Just a thought.
I'm not sure I agree. The Scud's shifts are very smooth to the point where you never lift. I can't speak for the newest SportShift but the SportShift 1 and 2 both lurched heavily and required you to lift through the gears to get a smoother shift.

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I heard that same story from other people about the SportShift 2 so I bought a V8S blind and while the SportShift 2 is better it's still not up to par with cars that stopped production in 2009 (Ferrari F430).
 
Old Dec 15, 2013 | 08:25 PM
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I drove the SportShift 3 V12VS on the streets and the track. The driving instructor told me not to lift because the decreasing throttle opening causes the TCU to change its shift behavior mid-shift. He was right. I can attest that if I drove as one would drive on the streets, you could not feel the shifts at all. However, when I had the throttle all the way down to the floor at the track, the same shifts felt very abrupt (almost jolting) as I went up through the gears. Downshifting, OTOH, was pretty smooth in both road and track.

Overall, it felt pretty good if you like paddle shift boxes (I prefer a proper manual).

I would not recommend putting the gearbox in D under any circumstances though. I tried it on the way back from the drag strip just to see what it was like and it was beyond horrible. With each shift there was about a 1 second gap in power where your head would lunge forward then go back against the seat when the next gear finally engaged. It is enough to make you seasick from the to-and-fro motion (and actually gave me a severe headache as the weight of my helmet magnified this sensation). It made me wish I had a HANS device at the time.
 
Old Dec 16, 2013 | 11:25 AM
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I heard that same story from other people about the SportShift 2 so I bought a V8S blind and while the SportShift 2 is better it's still not up to par with cars that stopped production in 2009 (Ferrari F430).[/QUOTE]


Im not sure, but I thought the engineer at the event told us that the v12vs has a new, bespoke engine/transmission management system with bosch as opposed to the other cars up until now being from a subsidiary of ford. This, apparently is really where the difference is. If your v8s doesnt have this setup, I really recommend you give it a go. Its really great.
 
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Im not sure, but I thought the engineer at the event told us that the v12vs has a new, bespoke engine/transmission management system with bosch as opposed to the other cars up until now being from a subsidiary of ford. This, apparently is really where the difference is. If your v8s doesnt have this setup, I really recommend you give it a go. Its really great.[/QUOTE]






i could be wrong but i think ss1 is magnetti marelli like it is on the 1st gen bmw paddleshift
 
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i could be wrong but i think ss1 is magnetti marelli like it is on the 1st gen bmw paddleshift[/QUOTE]



Just came back to me. The management software is from Visteon, a ford subsidiary.
 
Old Dec 16, 2013 | 05:35 PM
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"Although the firm already has a good fully automatic gearbox (found in the DB9), engineers have given the sportier Vantage a two-pedal version of its existing six-speed manual, because they felt it better suited the character of the car. Based around a gearbox from Turin company Graziano and software from fellow Italian firm Magneti Marelli, the transmission is virtually identical to the one used by Ferrari and Maserati.


Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-m...#ixzz2nghWPBO1
 
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I think they mean used by Ferrari many years ago.
 
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Originally Posted by frankgtb
"Although the firm already has a good fully automatic gearbox (found in the DB9), engineers have given the sportier Vantage a two-pedal version of its existing six-speed manual, because they felt it better suited the character of the car. Based around a gearbox from Turin company Graziano and software from fellow Italian firm Magneti Marelli, the transmission is virtually identical to the one used by Ferrari and Maserati.


Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-m...#ixzz2nghWPBO1
Good info but the article is from 2007 which speaks to the point of being dated.
 
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