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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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Why the R8 V10 test mule burned...

I'm not sure if this is a repost. From www.worldcarfans.com




Why the Audi RS8 Burned


New V10 in the works

Back in July we pointed a blaming finger at an oil or gasoline leak, but now we know the true cause of the pictured blasphemy. quattro boss Werner Frowein spoke with Swedish journalists and revealed that the now famous burnt Audi R8 on the 'Ring was indeed a RS8 test mule. The test mule was equipped with the RS6 Avant twin-turbo V10 delivering 580 hp, but in the mid-engine set-up it also caused the Audi RS8 to catch fire due to the produced heat. To make matters worse, three test mules went up in flames in this manner.
Werner Frowein: “The 580 hp strong V10 will not be making it into the RS8, we are currently working on a ten-cylinder with just over 500 hp.” He also mentions that the RS models will start production earlier into the models life-cycle, as we mentioned earlier this week.
Other news is that Audi is developing an Audi TT RS with a new 5-cylinder 2.3 liter engine, producing 310 hp and is meant to take on the likes of the BMW Z4 M Coupe.
Furthermore, Nieuws.nl mentions that the Audi RS4 should not be too far off, which confuses us at the WCF newsroom since Audi tends to only produce one RS model at a time and the RS6 Avant just went into production. The RS4 should be powered by a V8 or bi-turbo V6 and compete with the Mercedes C63 AMG and BMW M3, but mr Frowein let nothing slip on the subject.
 
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that would be an amazing engine! too bad they can't get it to work. hopefully they'll figure something out
 
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if a porsche can have over 1,000 WHP ot of a 3.6 TT with the engine behind the rear wheels, why can audi not fit an engine with less power.
 
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Too bad.
 
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Originally Posted by crazy1323
if a porsche can have over 1,000 WHP ot of a 3.6 TT with the engine behind the rear wheels, why can audi not fit an engine with less power.
because porsches been doing it for countless decades =p
 
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but aren't porsche and audi somewhat affiliated?
 
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I think porsche owns part of VW which owns a part of audi. weird huh?

what is the 1000 hp 3.6TT you are talking about? surely it's not a production vehicle right? race and modified engines don't count since they are not designed for longevity and everyday use.
 
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Originally Posted by crazy1323
if a porsche can have over 1,000 WHP ot of a 3.6 TT with the engine behind the rear wheels, why can audi not fit an engine with less power.
Last time I checked the most powerful 911 ever built to date is the 997 GT2 and its only got 530hp. Which model has 1000whp?
 
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but aren't porsche and audi somewhat affiliated?
When I was at the Audi dealer the manager that I was chatting with said Porsche actually has nothing/wants nothing to do with Audi/VW. They own 45% stock in both companies and thats why they are affiliated with each other. Apparently the German government came in and told Porsche that because they own so much stock they HAVE to have a say in what goes on there. He also said despite Audi/VW having the same power plants, they don't talk at all and aren't affiliated with each other either. He said they are in opposite ends of the country (1 is in N Germany and the other is in S Germany). Now, sorry if some of this is wrong but I'm going by what I was told by the Audi Sales Manager that has been selling them for over 20 years. He did tell me, though, the Cayenne, A7, and Toureg are built in the same factory just on different lines.
 
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
Last time I checked the most powerful 911 ever built to date is the 997 GT2 and its only got 530hp. Which model has 1000whp?
I was referring to modified engines. Also, didnt the 959 produce more power than the 997 GT2?

The fact is that these cars have much more power in a smaller space with less airflwo without over heating.
 
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Originally Posted by GSlider
When I was at the Audi dealer the manager that I was chatting with said Porsche actually has nothing/wants nothing to do with Audi/VW. They own 45% stock in both companies and thats why they are affiliated with each other. Apparently the German government came in and told Porsche that because they own so much stock they HAVE to have a say in what goes on there. He also said despite Audi/VW having the same power plants, they don't talk at all and aren't affiliated with each other either. He said they are in opposite ends of the country (1 is in N Germany and the other is in S Germany). Now, sorry if some of this is wrong but I'm going by what I was told by the Audi Sales Manager that has been selling them for over 20 years. He did tell me, though, the Cayenne, A7, and Toureg are built in the same factory just on different lines.
According to a recent Wall Street Journal article, Porsche is looking to increase their stake in VW and possibly ask for cuts.

A quote from the article which was issued today:

The focus on Mr. Wiedeking is also sharpened by fears among workers at Volkswagen AG that Porsche, already VW's biggest shareholder, may increase its 31% stake further and push for cost cuts at the company.
 
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wish they could get the V10TT to work but heat is an issue with boosted motors. wonder if they will ever do the V12TT diesel?
 
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Furthermore, Nieuws.nl mentions that the Audi RS4 should not be too far off.....
Eh?? . . . . . . . . . .. . . . .
 
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I vote NA or twin supercharged. They'll get it down though, and it will be another cool ride. Looks like a baby Veyron.
 
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Originally Posted by crazy1323
I was referring to modified engines. Also, didnt the 959 produce more power than the 997 GT2?

The fact is that these cars have much more power in a smaller space with less airflwo without over heating.
Both Clubsport and Luxury versions of the 959 had 450 HP.


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