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This Ive seen some time ago, Its a Chinese copy of Ben-Hur & Tesla, wouldn't go near it there isn't any information on how the stock info is displayed nor how any of the stock system works on the screen, all it shows is the Android & iPhone feathers ... Be carful if anyone is thinking of buying one ...
Hello Its been a while since my last post on the forum, but while Ive been away & as mentioned before been working on how to project the Ben-Hur mini screen onto the head unit screen. Its wasn't as simple as I though & with a dummy Ben-Hur & a OEM Infotainment head unit I finally sorted it.
With the Ben-Hur screen so small & hard to read while driving I managed to project the image onto the main head unit.
If any of you who have upgraded to a Ben-Hur system & would like to upgrade the screen image then PM me i'll give you the information on how. You need to be good at building a circuit board & there's a little wiring to upgrade. The board I built is neatly tucked away behind the panel above the glove box.
The settings are still operated via the Ben-Hur & all functions on the head unit touch-screen. The Ben-Hur will need software upgrade via the USB cable ...
Last edited by Rico.Adams; Mar 7, 2020 at 06:39 AM.
On your thread I asked you a couple of questions re your system, I understand your using the stock amp with the BenHur but as I keep mentioning the BenHur only uses one pair from the 2 sets of RCA's so that means your system is only working on 1 channel, what have they done to the other channel & how have they connected the sub, have a look at the post I posted on your thread ...
This is very confusing, your "1 Channel" that is.
I will elaborate in next post.
Hello Rico,
Please expound of your meaning of the one channel statement.
Next, our factory Infotainment head units nor our factory amplifiers neither send out nor receive any "quadraphonic" signals at all, they are just stereo, as in left and right, whether or not it be front or rear, the head unit just sends stereo L&R, the AMP/DSP splits it into front and rear, but again, it is not a quadraphonic sound field say like in a 1980's Lincoln Town Car that had actual Quad setup that played quadraphonic 8-Tracks, you can see in the attached wiring diagram how it is only 2 channels, left and right for our Bentleys.
If what you are saying that Ben-Hur only uses 1 channel is correct, that would be a mono signal, and would not be correct in any situation, of course many after market units have 4 RCA outputs, L&R stereo for the front and L&R stereo for the rear, they still are not quadraphonic, its just balance and fade of a stereo signal, with our AMP's DSP providing the surround effects.
Johnny
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Originally Posted by Rico.Adams
The BenHur only take one side of the RCA's front or rear, not both & yes then the BenHur splits that signal into left & right so your missing 1 channel ok your getting stereo as such but its not the full sound, that one channel is then broken up by the stock amp into 12 speakers, ones not getting the true sound , what your hearing is one channel blown up by the stock amp but its missing vital sound you would hear from a quadraphonic system, the head unit has front & rear for a reason it splits the sound into 4 channels, if you take away one set of channels your defeting the object what you set out to do in the first place ... is to have better sound ...
Before I changed the system the stock system sounded ok, once I installed the new head unit with one set of channels the sound was rubbish I could hear something was missing, yah that missing one set of channels ...
One can add as much equipment as they desire but your still missing one set of channels ...
The BenHur guys have been clever in pulling the wool over our eyes, one cant use the balance or the fader on the new head unit as I keep saying it only uses the Front or the Rear channels, what these guys have done is to split that one channel & make the BenHur do the Balancing & the Fading to confuse the stock amp into thinking its receiving quadraphonic sound ...
The head unit I have does all the fine tuning as Ive mentioned in my post a few days ago, But one cant do that if the head unit isn't using one set of channels ...
Last edited by Johnny Hotspur GT; Mar 7, 2020 at 11:39 AM.
What do you want to know about one channel. You ask me then explain it yourself, so why ask me ?.
No need to send me a diagram, my system is not a Bentley setup as yours or any other non upgraded system.
Did I mention in my thread that the OEM head unit & the OEM amp are quadraphonic or are you miss reading again.
My system is quadraphonic.
What is quadraphonic J ... ? or What does Quadraphonic mean ... ? Let me explain in simple layman terms :
Quad means 4, & in this case 4 channels. My system has outputs of 4 separate channels. Which in my design & system the sound produced by my system is quadraphonic. Not Left & Right or Balance or Fade, but 4 separate channels producing quadraphonic sound.
Whats so confusing J, You obviously haven't followed anything to do with my upgrade which has been on the forum for nearly a year. I can safely say I know the BenHur system more than most. My upgrade dose not use the BenHur for any audio input or output nor dose my system use the OEM amp for anything other than the PDC's for now.
To understand how Ive achieved the sound I have then just read the full thread, Im sure you'll understand. I'm not going through explaining the different sounds systems & how to archive them. It's all in the design J ...
May I also suggest J would you start a new Thread on BenHur & Quadraphonic Sound as you're spoiling my thread. I can remember you had a right go at me for posting something once on your build thread. which I removed ...
Last edited by Rico.Adams; Mar 9, 2020 at 05:55 AM.
This is very confusing, your "1 Channel" that is.
I will elaborate in next post.
JJJ
The statement made was directed to British's upgrade, as British uses the BenHur for the sound output which then runs into the OEM amp as I have mentioned to British the BenHur only uses one of two pairs of RCA's. this means no matter how many times one splits the signal its still going to be mono sound, hope this explains ONE CHANNEL ...
This is very confusing, your "1 Channel" that is.
I will elaborate in next post.
JJJ
The statement made was directed to British's upgrade, as British uses the BenHur for the sound output which then runs into the OEM amp as I have mentioned to British the BenHur only uses one of two pairs of RCA's. this means no matter how many times one splits the signal its still going to be mono sound, hope this explains ONE CHANNEL ...
That's some neat engineering work. I haven't even gotten around to changing my splash screen or taking out the old CD player.
Hello British
Thank you took some doing tho ...
Im sure there's no rush, how you getting on with the system did you change the Sub to a 10" personally I wouldn't its not going to make any difference ...
What do you want me to "expound" Your thinking as to why you keep telling TJ and British, or all of us that they will only have "1 Channel" or "Mono"
What do you want to know about one channel. You ask me then explain it yourself, so why ask me ?. I know what mono is, again I am trying to understand your thinking and statement.
No need to send me a diagram, my system is not a Bentley setup as yours or any other non upgraded system. But others are, and the diagram is to show that the OEM amp receives 2 channel stereo left & right.
Did I mention in my thread that the OEM head unit & the OEM amp are quadraphonic or are you miss reading again. No, you did not, but neither did I, you are not only talking about your setup in this thread.
My system is quadraphonic. Rico, I am sorry to say, but NO, your system is not "quadraphonic" , yes your new Alpine may have 4 channels, but it is not quadraphonic, quadraphonic is a sound format from the 70's into the 80's, where quadraphonic supplies 4 discrete sounds to each of the 4 channels, meaning like my 7.3 home surround system that I can put on test and have each speaker called out buy its position, LF, Center, RF, LS, LR, RR, RS, and Subs.
Whereas your Alpine unit can not do that, it is not a quadraphonic in the sense that you are calling it, it can not send a different sound to all 4 corners at the same time, like a different voice in each of the 4 channels at once, because it is only a stereo unit with the same stereo signal sent to the front set of RCA's as is sent to the rear RCA's, it can not produce a sound saying left front, right front, left rear, right rear to the appropriate speakers, because it does not have a quadraphonic decoder in any way.
What is quadraphonic J ... ? or What does Quadraphonic mean ... ? Let me explain in simple layman terms : Being we are of the same age range, I would believe you know what "quadraphonic" is, I wasn't asking.
Quad means 4, & in this case 4 channels. My system has outputs of 4 separate channels. Which in my design & system the sound produced by my system is quadraphonic. Not Left & Right or Balance or Fade, but 4 separate channels producing quadraphonic sound. Again, you do not have "Quadraphonic", you HAVE from the Alpine head unit a stereo signal, be it CD, FM, ETC. that is stereo in the front and stereo in the rear, not quadraphonic as I explained above.
Whats so confusing J, You obviously haven't followed anything to do with my upgrade which has been on the forum for nearly a year. I can safely say I know the BenHur system more than most. My upgrade dose not use the BenHur for any audio input or output nor dose my system use the OEM amp for anything other than the PDC's for now. Yes Rico I have followed your thread, remember all the help I gave you with the wiring and diagrams, I am not confused myself for any of the systems, I am confused at why you as you stated repeatedly keep stating to TJ and or British that they only have mono, you said that only 1 channel in British's case is sent to the OEM amp, and that 1 channel is split into 12 channels, and it is mono, that is 100% false, when sending the front RCA's from any after market head unit (both, 1 RED-RCA-Right channel, 1 WHITE-RCA-Left channel ) into the BEN-HUR unit, one is sending a stereo signal, not mono, and when that stereo signal is fed by the pair of RCA's into BEN-HUR unit, said BEN-HUR unit sends those 2 signals (STEREO) out the green OEM plug down the line to the OEM amp, and said amp sends the left signal to the six left channels and the right signal to the six right channels,
To understand how Ive achieved the sound I have then just read the full thread, Im sure you'll understand. I'm not going through explaining the different sounds systems & how to archive them. It's all in the design J ... I have read it all, and you did a beautiful job !
May I also suggest J would you start a new Thread on BenHur & Quadraphonic Sound as you're spoiling my thread. I can remember you had a right go at me for posting something once on your build thread. which I removed ... Rico, I never "had a go" at you, I simply asked you to keep your questions about this build in your thread here, which you did, so please stop with that, If some can not ask you to explain your comments in detail as to make sure we all have the same understand, that's on you if you take offense, it is NOT meant that way at all, it's meant to have the proper information to all.
The statement made was directed to British's upgrade, as British uses the BenHur for the sound output which then runs into the OEM amp as I have mentioned to British the BenHur only uses one of two pairs of RCA's. this means no matter how many times one splits the signal its still going to be mono sound, hope this explains ONE CHANNEL ...
Hello Rico,
And that one pair of RCA's is stereo, stereo is sent into the BH and sent out of the BH to the OEM amp as 2 separate channels, left and right, the OEM AMP then takes the left to feed the 6 left amps/speakers, and the right to the 6 right side amps/speakers, NOT 1 channel as "MONO" into 12 speakers as you have repeatedly stated.
[QUOTE=Johnny Hotspur GT;4827637]Hello Rico,
And that one pair of RCA's is stereo, stereo is sent into the BH and sent out of the BH to the OEM amp as 2 separate channels, left and right, the OEM AMP then takes the left to feed the 6 left amps/speakers, and the right to the 6 right side amps/speakers, NOT 1 channel as "MONO" into 12 speakers as you have repeatedly stated.
Last edited by Rico.Adams; Sep 7, 2021 at 10:11 PM.
I FIND IT QUIT A SUPPRISE THAT YOU ASK ME THE MOST CHILIDISH OF QUESTIONS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE AN INTELLIGENT PERSON BUT IT SEEMS YOU FALL QUITE SORT.
WHAT EVER IVE ASKED TJ OR BRITSH IS BETWEEN US, WHAT EVER THE POST WERE IT WAS SOMETIME AGO. IF TJ & BRITISH NEED FURTHER ASSISTANCE THEN THEY KNOW WHERE TO FIND ME
IF MY SYSTEM IS QUADRAPHONIC 4.0 OR NOT, WHY IS IT BOTHERING YOU SO MUCH. MY CAR MY SYSTEM. I KNOW WHAT I BUILT I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN IT TO ANYONE ELSE, ITS THERE TO READ.
I ASK YOU ONCE AGAIN TO READ MY THREAD
IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT THEN I SUGGEST YOU GO FIND OUT WHAT ALL THIS MEANS AS I AM NOT YOUR TEACHER NOR AM I GIVING LESSONS ON WHAT CHANNELS MEAN & HOW AN AUDIO SYSTEM WORKS
IM SURE THERE ARE PLEANTY OF BOOK SHOPS WHERE YOU LIVE THEN THERES GOOGLE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
END OF THREAD DO NOT POST ANY FURTHER, JOHNNY WHY YOU DELIBERATELY SABOTAGING MY THREAD WHEN I CLEARLY ASKED YOU NOT TO POST ANYTHING FURTHER & IF NEED BE CREATE YOU OWN THREAD, IF I POST ANYTHING ON YOUR "BUILD" THREAD YOU HAVE A FIT SENDING ME PM's, SO DONT DO IT ON MINE, IM NOT GOING TO PM YOU ILL JUST DO IT ON FULL VIEW ...
Understood.
Take care of yourself, and I mean that wholeheartedly, sincerely I do !
