Movit Ceramic vs. Brembo GTR
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Movit Ceramic vs. Brembo GTR
Hi,
I was possibly thinking about trading in my B7 S4 for a new E60 M5, and I was looking at some modifications to do to the car. I wanted to go with a really extreme braking system, and the two kits I'm looking at are a custom Brembo GTR as well as a Movit Carbon Ceramic Kit. Putting cost aside, which one would you recommend. The key factors for me are:
Reliability
Performance
Longevity
Quality
I was possibly thinking about trading in my B7 S4 for a new E60 M5, and I was looking at some modifications to do to the car. I wanted to go with a really extreme braking system, and the two kits I'm looking at are a custom Brembo GTR as well as a Movit Carbon Ceramic Kit. Putting cost aside, which one would you recommend. The key factors for me are:
Reliability
Performance
Longevity
Quality
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Give me a call and I'll explain to you some of the key differences.
There is a cool factor to being able to say that you have a limited production GTR system from Brembo, or probably one of the only aftermarket Carbon Ceramic brake kits available, but you want to first make sure that the system you choose is going to meet your physical needs for the vehicle first.
That includes safety and compatibility with the vehicle.
Gary C
Brembo / Race Technologies
Ph: 888.Brembo.8 ext.118
gary@racetechnologies.com
There is a cool factor to being able to say that you have a limited production GTR system from Brembo, or probably one of the only aftermarket Carbon Ceramic brake kits available, but you want to first make sure that the system you choose is going to meet your physical needs for the vehicle first.
That includes safety and compatibility with the vehicle.
Gary C
Brembo / Race Technologies
Ph: 888.Brembo.8 ext.118
gary@racetechnologies.com
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I agree. Unless you are planning to use it as a track car, I think the stock brakes are more than enough.
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Just my opinion, but you pick 535i or 550i if want "good enough".
You pick the ///M5 when you want exceptional.
From that point of view the brakes are simply sub par for that class of a vehicle.
You pick the ///M5 when you want exceptional.
From that point of view the brakes are simply sub par for that class of a vehicle.
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neither is worth half of what they cost for a street car. They're actually somewhat dangerous considering they have to get serious heat in them to function. Just get the ap racing bbk and be done with it.
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The Brembo GTR system is actually available with a Performance Street brake pad.
The pads do function well at ambient temperatures as well as at increased levels for performance driving.
That's not really the issue that I was talking about.
A GTR system can be appropriate for the car in terms of being properly matched and balanced around the OEM master / ABS / traction control. The issues that you need to be aware of is that these systems will use a full Motorsport caliper that do not have the luxury of outer dust boots in the caliper (they will need to be rebuilt regularly as part of general maintenance). They also do not have pad retention hardware, so you will have the potential for noise issues such as squeal, pads chattering inside the caliper. These are common with full racing style brake systems and racers expect and accept these types of issues. For a street car it can be a bit of an annoyance.
My advice was going to be based on stepping up to a Brembo Gran Turismo (GT) kit.
This puts you at less than 50% of the cost of the GTR system, and addresses all the issues that you he may have not been aware of. They will have outer dust boots and the calipers are developed to last the life if the vehicle. Caliper rebuilding will not be a necessary part of regular maintenance. The caliper will also utilize pad retention hardware to assist in the prevention of unwanted noises and chatter, and when matched with the use of McLaren hardware on the discs practically eliminates the chance for chatter and squeal.
The NEW Monobloc calipers from Brembo are the closest thing we have ever released to a full Motorsports caliper that has these luxuries for the street while still offering the highest levels of performance. The rotors used are identical between the GT and GTR systems and come directly out of our Racing Division. Basically you can think if it as a GTR system, but with a caliper developed to handle every situation and driving condition. And in reverse, the GTR system is simply a GT kit with Race Division calipers. Both systems are built with the highest quality and best performing components available. Each option is offered for an intended usage and should be matched to the expectations of the driver.
Here's a photo of our current 6-piston Monobloc caliper...
Here's a photo of the 8-piston Monobloc GTR caliper...
That is the only difference between each system and I personally think the Monobloc GT caliper is much more attractive for an ///M5. They are available in Red, Black, Silver, Yellow, and can also be custom ordered in practically any color you can think of.
The pads do function well at ambient temperatures as well as at increased levels for performance driving.
That's not really the issue that I was talking about.
A GTR system can be appropriate for the car in terms of being properly matched and balanced around the OEM master / ABS / traction control. The issues that you need to be aware of is that these systems will use a full Motorsport caliper that do not have the luxury of outer dust boots in the caliper (they will need to be rebuilt regularly as part of general maintenance). They also do not have pad retention hardware, so you will have the potential for noise issues such as squeal, pads chattering inside the caliper. These are common with full racing style brake systems and racers expect and accept these types of issues. For a street car it can be a bit of an annoyance.
My advice was going to be based on stepping up to a Brembo Gran Turismo (GT) kit.
This puts you at less than 50% of the cost of the GTR system, and addresses all the issues that you he may have not been aware of. They will have outer dust boots and the calipers are developed to last the life if the vehicle. Caliper rebuilding will not be a necessary part of regular maintenance. The caliper will also utilize pad retention hardware to assist in the prevention of unwanted noises and chatter, and when matched with the use of McLaren hardware on the discs practically eliminates the chance for chatter and squeal.
The NEW Monobloc calipers from Brembo are the closest thing we have ever released to a full Motorsports caliper that has these luxuries for the street while still offering the highest levels of performance. The rotors used are identical between the GT and GTR systems and come directly out of our Racing Division. Basically you can think if it as a GTR system, but with a caliper developed to handle every situation and driving condition. And in reverse, the GTR system is simply a GT kit with Race Division calipers. Both systems are built with the highest quality and best performing components available. Each option is offered for an intended usage and should be matched to the expectations of the driver.
Here's a photo of our current 6-piston Monobloc caliper...
Here's a photo of the 8-piston Monobloc GTR caliper...
That is the only difference between each system and I personally think the Monobloc GT caliper is much more attractive for an ///M5. They are available in Red, Black, Silver, Yellow, and can also be custom ordered in practically any color you can think of.
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And you can get the *****-stiener carbon fiber version of the Brembo Monobloc calipers if you really want to be a show-off...
And even then, driving on the street, you still will never feel any huge difference under hard stops when compared to the stock brakes. You will notice that the pedal feel is different because of the increased pad to rotor surface area but stopping distances on the street will be comparable.
Its all show, very little go (or stop) for the money
And even then, driving on the street, you still will never feel any huge difference under hard stops when compared to the stock brakes. You will notice that the pedal feel is different because of the increased pad to rotor surface area but stopping distances on the street will be comparable.
Its all show, very little go (or stop) for the money
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Well, it's definitely not going to shave of 20 feet on a single 60-0 stop if that's what you mean.
But in all fairness, there is a great deal of improvement across the board that will make street driving more enjoyable, and well as safer.
The weight reduction of the front system alone (each corner) is pushing about 7lbs.
That's both unsprung and rotational.
That combined with the used of an opposed piston caliper, faster response with less compliance, you are without a doubt going to reduce stopping distance. Especially in the repeatability department which is surely confidence inspiring.
Even 4-6 feet on a single panic stop is enough to avoid an accident. The benefits and improvements in performance are exponential as you increase the speed. We've all had our moments where we've gone faster than the 65mph speed limit on the freeway. That 4-6 feet can very easily become 30-40 feet at 100mph.
By the weight reduction alone, you will gain every benefit that you would with a light weight set of wheels and tires. By the design of the system, you gain every benefit of reaction time, pedal feel and modulation, and increased stopping power that the tires will allow for.
But in all fairness, there is a great deal of improvement across the board that will make street driving more enjoyable, and well as safer.
The weight reduction of the front system alone (each corner) is pushing about 7lbs.
That's both unsprung and rotational.
That combined with the used of an opposed piston caliper, faster response with less compliance, you are without a doubt going to reduce stopping distance. Especially in the repeatability department which is surely confidence inspiring.
Even 4-6 feet on a single panic stop is enough to avoid an accident. The benefits and improvements in performance are exponential as you increase the speed. We've all had our moments where we've gone faster than the 65mph speed limit on the freeway. That 4-6 feet can very easily become 30-40 feet at 100mph.
By the weight reduction alone, you will gain every benefit that you would with a light weight set of wheels and tires. By the design of the system, you gain every benefit of reaction time, pedal feel and modulation, and increased stopping power that the tires will allow for.