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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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You'll love the Cayenne.

Even just the Cayenne Turbo (with a chip if needed) should do the trick for you.
 
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I would stay w/ the ML63 AMG any day! But if your like me, its the adventure of always having a new car. But your SUV is the bad boy of the bunch. I've had a Cayenne TT w/ a tune, but I was always looking to upgrade to your ride.
 
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here is the EVO mag review of the x6m. in short, the car is pure garbage not worthy of the m badge. 2.5 start out of 5, LOL. It may be faster than a Cayenne GTS but wont hang it in the corners, and it may be as fast as a turbo/turbo S but still wont touch it in the handling department.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...4/bmw_x6m.html
 
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C'mon, ^^?

Evo? They have been hating on the SUV ///M since it was on the drawing board.

I encourage you to drive either the X5M or X6M. IMO, it's miles better than the CTS (turbo-lag NE1?) I drove immediately before test driving (and buying) the X5M.

The X5M is quicker than the CTS, at least 30% less expensive (fully loaded with full Merino vs stripped) and the interior/electronics are far, far more modern.

Re handling - they are both 5,000lb+ vehicles.. Both handle 'well', but both will get walked by any serious sports car.

The GTS looks great, but is the same $$ as the ///M's and a lot, lot slower.

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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HIRISC
C'mon, ^^?

Evo? They have been hating on the SUV ///M since it was on the drawing board.

I encourage you to drive either the X5M or X6M. IMO, it's miles better than the CTS (turbo-lag NE1?) I drove immediately before test driving (and buying) the X5M.

The X5M is quicker than the CTS, at least 30% less expensive (fully loaded with full Merino vs stripped) and the interior/electronics are far, far more modern.

Re handling - they are both 5,000lb+ vehicles.. Both handle 'well', but both will get walked by any serious sports car.

The GTS looks great, but is the same $$ as the ///M's and a lot, lot slower.

My $.02
Idk...i dont like either of them at all. the interiors are terrible IMO, the exterior is even worse. They dont sound nearly as good as a CGTS by any means. The Cayenne GTS def handles much better and I would imagine the new CT, and CTS do as well. Obviously the Porsche is going to cost more, but you can get a great deal on the used Cayennes. Also the x5m/x6m are only going to be worth ~35-40k in 1.5-2 years, so pretty bad there as well.
I have a hard time believing the x5m is faster than the CTS. Both have about the same weight, power and tq...but we all know Porhes put down the power much better than any other car out there.
Ive driven the x6, which is def bmws best handling suv, but i found it to be miles behind the Cayenne GTS and would be even more so vs the CT, and CTS. i found it unexciting to drive, it didnt handle as well, and had a bland interior that doesnt hold a candle to the cayennes, and dont even mention the fugly exterior. And if EVO is right, the regular x6 is a better (and lighter) car than the m version.

Thats my opinion.
 

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That's the cool part - everyone is entitled to their (and magazine) opinions
 
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Interesting are the X6M's are the dealers as well?
Yes there are approximately 56 available in the US.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
here is the EVO mag review of the x6m. in short, the car is pure garbage not worthy of the m badge. 2.5 start out of 5, LOL. It may be faster than a Cayenne GTS but wont hang it in the corners, and it may be as fast as a turbo/turbo S but still wont touch it in the handling department.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...4/bmw_x6m.html
I have heard the exact opposite.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
here is the EVO mag review of the x6m. in short, the car is pure garbage not worthy of the m badge. 2.5 start out of 5, LOL. It may be faster than a Cayenne GTS but wont hang it in the corners, and it may be as fast as a turbo/turbo S but still wont touch it in the handling department.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...4/bmw_x6m.html

wow only if everyone was as ignorant as you and listened to everything a magazine says, LOL
 
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Originally Posted by AceRothstein415
wow only if everyone was as ignorant as you and listened to everything a magazine says, LOL
my experience is based on driving the regular x6...i thought it was terrible im comparison to a cayenne gts/turbo/turbo s. i havnt driven an x6m yet but since it weighs ~650 lbs more than the x6 35i and 250+ lbs more than the x6 5.0 than its def got its work cut out for it. i cant base anthing on my own drive yet, so i looked to what evo (a reputable, non US mag) said.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
my experience is based on driving the regular x6...i thought it was terrible im comparison to a cayenne gts/turbo/turbo s. i havnt driven an x6m yet but since it weighs ~650 lbs more than the x6 35i and 250+ lbs more than the x6 5.0 than its def got its work cut out for it. i cant base anthing on my own drive yet, so i looked to what evo (a reputable, non US mag) said.
Your info on weight seems to be a bit off:

X6 35i 4894 lbs/300 hp = 16.31 lbs per hp
X6 50i 5269 lbs/400 hp = 13.17 lbs per hp
X6M 5249 lbs/555 hp = 9.45lbs per hp

Pretty different experience with the ///M

Drive one before you assume too much.


ps.. I took the X6M weight from your Evo.uk article: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...4/bmw_x6m.html

pss. Ironically, the X6M/X5M spec virtually the same lbs per HP (9.45) as your Cayman S.. so, if the ///M is slow, then so is your car

psss. This test has the X6 50i walking the GTS. Must have been a ringer.

Ok, you get the idea..... right?
 

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I think X5M is an awesome SUV. I have a CTT and let me just say the turbo lag is a big disappointment.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
Idk...i dont like either of them at all. the interiors are terrible IMO, the exterior is even worse. They dont sound nearly as good as a CGTS by any means. The Cayenne GTS def handles much better and I would imagine the new CT, and CTS do as well. Obviously the Porsche is going to cost more, but you can get a great deal on the used Cayennes. Also the x5m/x6m are only going to be worth ~35-40k in 1.5-2 years, so pretty bad there as well.
I have a hard time believing the x5m is faster than the CTS. Both have about the same weight, power and tq...but we all know Porhes put down the power much better than any other car out there.
Ive driven the x6, which is def bmws best handling suv, but i found it to be miles behind the Cayenne GTS and would be even more so vs the CT, and CTS. i found it unexciting to drive, it didnt handle as well, and had a bland interior that doesnt hold a candle to the cayennes, and dont even mention the fugly exterior. And if EVO is right, the regular x6 is a better (and lighter) car than the m version.

Thats my opinion.
That's pretty amazing how you can predict the value of the X5M 2 years down the road!
 
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Originally Posted by HIRISC
Your info on weight seems to be a bit off:

X6 35i 4894 lbs/300 hp = 16.31 lbs per hp
X6 50i 5269 lbs/400 hp = 13.17 lbs per hp
X6M 5249 lbs/555 hp = 9.45lbs per hp

Pretty different experience with the ///M

Drive one before you assume too much.


ps.. I took the X6M weight from your Evo.uk article: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...4/bmw_x6m.html

pss. Ironically, the X6M/X5M spec virtually the same lbs per HP (9.45) as your Cayman S.. so, if the ///M is slow, then so is your car

psss. This test has the X6 50i walking the GTS. Must have been a ringer.

Ok, you get the idea..... right?
You totally missed my point! I never said anything about its power to weight ratio. obv it better be quick given its got 550 hp. my concern is about the extra weight it carries.
I never said the cayman S was slow. its a quick car and can outhandle anything bmw has ever made. if i want pure speed, i have a sport bike that even your z06 would have trouble keeping.
 

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You totally missed my point! I never said anything about its power to weight ratio. obv it better be quick given its got 550 hp. my concern is about the extra weight it carries.
I never said the cayman S was slow. its a quick car and can outhandle anything bmw has ever made. if i want pure speed, i have a sport bike that very few cars can keep up with.
I illustrated P2W to help you understand that there would be a significant difference between your drive in a X6 35i to a ///M version.

So you want to talk about weight as it pertains to handling, but not as it pertains to speed/quickness? OK, then see my post about how the 'lowly' X6 50i spanked the 'GTS' – which responds directly to 'weight it carries' and to you assertion that the GTS handles better than the X6M (or X5M) for that matter.

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Idk...The Cayenne GTS def handles much better...

and

Originally Posted by PorscheC4
Ive driven the x6, which is def bmws best handling suv, but i found it to be miles behind the Cayenne GTS and would be even more so vs the CT, and CTS. i found it unexciting to drive, it didnt handle as well...Thats my opinion.
While you are clearly entitled to your opinion, the facts don't agree with you. The ///M X5 or X6 will absolutely walk a GTS in straight line speed and quite likely on any road course you could find.

It is also very likely that both the X5M and the X6M would be faster around most road courses than a Cayman S. Unless you're racing around a KMart parking lot.

I'll reiterate my suggestion that you drive some of these vehicles you're writing about. Will clear up some of your mis-assumptions.
 

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