THANK YOU!!! Someone who actually understands want an //M car is all about. It's not about 1/4 mile times. It's about having the revs to reach the next corner without shifting. It's about an engine than was totally different than the standard N engines. An engine that would get better as your rev'ed it more, unlike the regular engines that would run out of breath up top. It's not the greatest daily driver engine, but take it to a track and it will make you very happy. It's like you can feel the engine loving the flogging it's getting at the track.

 

Another go fast toy that you really can't go fast legally in. I hope that there won't be a gas guzzler tax involved!!!!

 

turbo charged m cars is blasphemy

 

 

Agreed.
Personally in essence it's not about massive power. What you described above is the feeling achieved and rewarded when driving a GT3/RS on the track. The raw, visceral feel wring the engine out to 8400 rpm is so gratifying.
There's no arguement about the power from TT engines but it's all about the feel being very different.
I tracked a turbo car for awhile (granted it was not during current turbo technology) and after purchasing a 993 3.8 RSR and went racing I was convinced. I had more fun and was faster through the corners. Anyone can be fast in a straightline.
Also the new F10 M5 TT will be running 21 psi stock. To me this will limit how much tuning can be done before having to change internals and get more invasive.
It maybe a deliberate plan by BMW.

Ranger

 

^^ completely agree with your points above for a track car (or even a 'sports car'), but I wonder how many people consider an M5 or M6 either?

I think the vast majority of buyers see them as grand tourers. If that is BMW's assumption as well, they likely saw a TT engine setup as more usable, appropriate, and (for them) cheaper.

That being said, I'd consider it to be off-market for BMW to replace the NA 4.0 in the M3 (perhaps a more track-likely auto).

 

My thoughts about the new V8TT M5? Very dirty. Dirty and messy...

I do, however, find it ironic that BMW has opted for this Turbo'd route. They have been preaching about the negative effects of turbos for years (I've read endless white papers from them), and now to see this is shocking, yet enlightenling.

 

i look forward to the motor. i've been living with the 10 cyl for over a year now and while its great when revved high (like over 5k rpm and up), the lack of low end torque in real world driving situations sometimes leaves it gasping.

example: when i leave work i have a 180 degree on ramp with a short lane to a 65 mph two lane. i generally take the corner at 20 mph or so as theres bad pavement midway. if i'm not in first gear and revving the hell out of it when i come around i have no acceleration.

example 2: when i want to pass on the highway, even at 70 mph plus, I need to drop down to at least fourth (I have the 6 speed manual) to have any power, or third if I want to really nail it. Its a lot of torgue to shift down to at that speed but its necessary.

on a track the revs and high rev throttle response is superior, no doubt. but in the real world, this motor sounds like it will be the far better match.

and the larger gas tank would be nice. i do 90% highway and only get 200 miles a tank.

i can see how the smg is better matched to handle the torque curve with this motor, it just wasn't for me

 

Great points. Personally, if wanted a focused track car, it would be a GT3RS, GT3, or Z06. I prefer a turbo car for the street, but that's just me.

I am also one of those that you mention who consider an M5 and M6 (and 997TT for that matter) to be GT cars.

 

It's definitely a bummer they are going with FI. I love the sound of the V10's, the high redline...lots of respect for M cars. I'm going to guess you're going to see even fewer of these at the track, and more on the dragstrip... sigh.

 

Exactly;

As stated by GT3Ranger, there is no denying the power that turbo engines can produce - My X50 was an extremely powerful car, (very fast, if you will) - easily into the 11's stock, yet i was never impressed with the power

It was dull through and through, the redline, the sound, the sense of speed...

Yet revving an engine out and shifting at 8500 RPM's... Well, there's nothing dull about that, and the feeling is unmatched

Hence,

Choice and preferences

21 psi... whoa! - Limited tuning indeed

 

They never preached about the negative affects of turbos, as a matter of fact, they chose a turbo for the 2002 way back in the 70's. They made freaking nasty turbo F1 motors in the 80's. They have been doing turbo diesels for decades now.

They simply said NA was the way to go for response/excitement and they were right. It isn't their fault, it is the global economy and the green movement.

 

GT3's are boring? M3's are boring? F430's are boring? Gallardo's are boring? McLaren F1's are boring? 458 Italia's are boring? Z06's are boring? Viper's are boring? Murcielago's are boring?

I'm sure at least one of these you would find exciting.

 

Thats exactly what i was thinking. I guess Dive must really like his FI P cars so much. He must live his life 1/4 mile at a time.....

 

Don't get me wrong... I'm glad they finally chose F/I. And I understand the current climate of the market is 'green' as well.

But, yes, I remember reading papers explaining motor after motor why they chose N/A over F/I, and why F/I was not their preference.