Is me or is like almost every other post here lately been a pitch for Gloss-it?

 

It's the new mega sponsor to our detailing forum.

 

They are paying for it, but it's a little over the top.

 

We are just trying to help educate board members on gloss-it. Some board members are just really excited about how well our products perform. Being the new kid on the block is not easy. Many weekend detailers & professionals are used to 1 to 3 products on the market that perform well. Being a professional detailer for over 20 years and trying and using every product to produce avg to good results was frustrating. This is what motivated me to formulate my own detail products! I think its about time something new and fresh hit the market, don't you?

 

Keep up the good work Rich. Your story above reminds me of someone else in the industry who went off and made his own formula. Your products work well. My car still looks awesome! Thanks for the great job Brian!

 

I was wondering the same thing, hey, I guess it's business, their product looks very nice! More power to em IMO

 

Im a believer....

 

that picture is unbelievable, I'm by far no expert on paint or any other competitions product but that picture speaks for itself.

God damn, Rich/Gloss-It damn well deserve the opportunity to advertise given the results. It's nice to see a manufacture caring about its end user, plus we get to hear everything directly from the horses mouth

If you compare the picture smoke7 posted to a picture posted by DetailersDomain when using Swissvax Divine ($2500) it's clear who the real winner is. Granted, I have no idea how the paint differs from a BMW to an Audi and a true test would be to use 2 identical cars, though the pictures still do speak for themselves. The Audi also seems to have some orange peel as well which may make the comparison unfair... regardless here it is.

 

First of all let me preface this by saying that I have a tremendous respect for Phil at DetailersDomain and the work that he does. I admire him both as a great detailer and a good businessman, I regularly order products from him and am always pleased with the customer service . And the comparison shows nothing other than the fact the M5 I detailed has no Orange Peel on the hood and that Audi has tons on the side panel. If you take a look at the GT Bentley Phil did you will see a no OP finish that has great depth and calrity...and I believe Divine was used.

Im not here to make waves or compare my work to anyone else's, I just figure that if im going to put endless hours and effort in detailing a car I deserve the right (as does anyone else) to at least show it off with some pics. Everyone needs to let each detailer do their own thing and use whatever products they may choose.

 

Divine is a $2500 wax, the fact we're comparing results from a $40 wax is unbelievable to say the least. My post was to never attack Phil, we've already established he's a great detailer and runs a tight ship business wise. The idea is to compare products to see what can give you the best results, regardless if it's a $40 or $2500 bottle of wax. From there customers can determine what product matches their budget.

Pictures only do so much either way... the picture smoke7 posted of the hood is absolutely great.

I would of posted a picture of the Audis hood if there was one up close, to compare the reflection. Once again I wasn't looking to sabatoge his work.

 

First off, you aren't comparing apples to apples here. That is a big issue.

As you pointed out, you are talking about pictures here. I am go out and take some pictures of the hood of my truck that would blow your mind, as long as I spent some photoshop time first. It just isn't a fair comparison.

You are trying to say that according to two different cameras, on two different cars, with two different paints, and two different products, that one is better than the other. It can't be said or done that way at all.

If you want to say that the reflections look great, that is fine. You have no issues saying that either picture looks good, but you can't just compare the two.

As for the bulk of the Gloss-It posts, I think that there should be a line drawn somewhere. As a major sponsor of the forum, you do get some flexibility, but it needs to be remembered that simply being a sponsor is a huge promotion in itself. The Gloss-It name is going to get out there regardless of 50% of the posts on the forum being about it.

This forum was originally created, and sustained for a long time, by DIYers who wanted some questions answered. It was a place where guys could come and show what they had done themselves, and gotten some really good feedback from the pros. It isn't that way now. Looking at the front forum page there is maybe one or two posts that are actually educational for the bulk of the 6speed members, and the rest are just promotional posts by different sponsors. It shouldn't be that way, I hate to say it.

I don't mind seeing posts put up by people on work that they had done, but I do mind being basically hit over the head with how awesome one product is after another. So Rich, if you want to promote your stuff, that is fine, you have the right to do so. But remember that with many things in detailing, sometimes less is more.

 

I understand where your coming from but honestly I think Rich is just trying to spread the word and show people what Gloss It is capable of. Yes being a site sponsor is great in itself but people need to see the work to be convinced. Gloss It is not a very well know name in the detailing world and it really should be. I post my details to show off the work I've done and if I used Gloss It in the process I will say so.

 

Smoke, to be fair you're not a sponsor and yet you're showing off your detailing business and you get away with it cause you're promoting a sponsor's brand. Why don't you just let Rich do his own promotions of his own business??

I know of other detailers that posted up of there work like Todd and Brian from Bella Macchina and they got booted cause they weren't promoting any brand/sponsor in particular but only there skills which actually were educational cause they would go in depth of there processes and techniques.

I've got to aggree with JEdwards on this one. I'm trying out the Gloss It line myself as we speak, but all the Gloss It posts are getting old.

Hate me if you guys want I don't care, what I'm saying is the truth. I have nothing against Rick, Smoke or Gloss It, it just gets old seeing the same old threads all the time. Why can't one or two threads be suffice?

Josh

 

I'm with Josh and edwards on this issue... I'm sure only a few members noticed, but I stopped visiting here and posting for a few weeks now because of Gloss it... it's just dumb and ruining this forum in my opinion... I run a small detailing business (4-5 details monthly) and I'm getting sick of all the before/after threads with 100s of photos... if you transformed some old oxidized car or deep swirling, etc. definitely post up so we can see the transformation... it's already been cleared up (at least I would think so) that no product will ever be superior to another... there are quality products, good products and poor products... I've never personally tried Gloss it (if you send out samples PM me as I'm always up for experimenting with new stuff, just not at my own expense) but I know it can't be THAT much better, if at all, than the Meg's and Menzerna polishes I'm using... I get the same results with Meg's and Menz as you do with Gloss it, so why post 100s of threads showing photos of how your polish removed some swirls, when everyone already knows polishes will in fact remove swirls...

At the end of the day, it is business for the Gloss it guys, and while a certain amount of advertisement is to be expected, I feel all of these before/after threads are ruining the DIY quality of this forum... I love reading about the guy from Romania ordering stuff and fixing up his gorgeous porsche, I don't want to hear about your 20 daily detail jobs using the same products, etc...

Maybe 6speed could benefit from a new section to the detail forum where only sponsors can start new threads, then who ever wants of the regular members post up their opinions, etc... this way the sponsors can "battle" it out with all the before/after photos and leave this forum to help the avg. person trying to learn and take care of his/her car... I'm not associated with anyone here and not taking anyone's side, simply stating my unbiased opinion on what would be best for integrity of the DIY section of this forum... take it for what you will

 

Get away with it? Listen im not trying to "get away" with anything I just want to post my work for others to see and if you like it great if not I could care less. It seems as if basically you want me to not post my details anymore or at least not include the name Gloss It in them. Im sure if I had the same details posted and said I used Zymol or Menzerna there wouldnt be a big problem. I shouldn't be chastised for using a certain brand of product.

It seems as if nobody wins here, Rich promotes the name and people say its "too much" and if I post a detail and say I use gloss it you say I should let Rich do the promoting. What do you want I agress, In the last week or so there has been a lot of hype surrounding Gloss It on here but its not all because of Rich its because I posted my detail, Auto concierge posted his etc. these will generate some discussion and theres something wrong with that?

Its a new brand so seeing a lot of it is something people arent used to. If this detailing section was flooded with people who posted pics of jobs were Zymol, SV or Menz type products were used I really dont think there would be a problem.

Even this thread has fueled the fire.