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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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Aston Martin Vantage: One Step Paint Correction

Gloss-it is currently working on a new 1 step hi-speed paint correction application for professionals. We have been testing a new pre-polymer foam we received last week from a well known pad manufacture and also the 3m pre-polymer foams only available in Europe. There has been a few professionals over sea's that have been able to perform 100% paint correction with the hi-speed in two steps. ( I was very skeptical when I learned this info)

So I decided that we would test this new foam on a 2007 Red Aston Martin Vantage and was very surprised with the outcome. Gloss-it is also testing a new prime pad conditioner to achieve more work time in jeweling the paint correction polishes. Our prime will be called EVP and will be available sometime in the 2nd week in November.

Okay....on with the test.



In this test we choose the dewalt hi-speed. As you can see in the picture below we started out with two line beads of extreme cut, also sprayed one fine mist of EVP onto the 6 inch pre-polymer cutting foam pad before polishing. This pad is closed cell and very dense foam. Closed cell foams will tend to make more heat, this is handy for removing heavy paint imperfections but usually leaves some residual rids and holograms.



Are polishes have received great reviews from DIY'S and professionals with DA polishers but many pro's have expressed they are unable to produce a hologram free finish with our polishes. What I think is important too note is that pads are different in mechanical cut and range from open to close cell configurations. This can make a huge difference in how a compound/polish will perform. Many paint correction polishes are solvent based emulsions that contains different silicone oils and mineral spirits. The draw back to these types of compounds/polishes is they tend to have filling properties. Gloss-it polishes are a water based emulsion. The advantage to water based polishes are no filling or masking paint imperfections much like solvent based polishes. The disadvantage is they can flash quicker under a lot of heat caused from hi-speed polishing. When we formulated are polishes we started out with solvent based and yes they were much easier to buff, but also filled a lot. Our goal with the new EVP was to make a prime that if when polishing the product flashed to quickly (sometime tempature & climate related ) will give more then ample buffing time to remove paint imperfections without causing further micro scratches or rids.

We first did a hand wash to remove any old wax, polish or sealants. Dawn works well for stripping. We looked for a area that had some pretty good micro scratches. This drivers door was not that bad, but was a good test to start. We used two 1000 watt halogens to lite up the door.



We started our speed at 2000 rpm. This speed is a lot higher then we usually like to buff, (especially on soft paint like this aston martin) but was most effective for removing the deeper imperfections. The picture does not show the deeper rids that were present.. We worked this speed for about 3 to 4 passes then worked down to about 1800 rpm for 3 passes then 1400 rpm for 3 passes. Once we hit about 1200 rpm we add a couple beeds of extreme cut and sprayed our gloss enhancer to remove the RIDS caused from the higher speeds. We reduced our final speed to 900 rpm working 2 more passes.





To check our work an IPA was completed after the final jeweling. As you can see in the final after shoot the finish looks perfect! My staff and I were very surprised.. The pad is very different then anything we have tested to date. More testing in the coming weeks will be done to find out how consistent this technique and pad will work on different types of hard and soft paints.



I have included a few before & after shots in the sun. There was not LSP or wax applied in these pictures. After the car was completed we washed the car in dawn again and completed another IPA wipe down. These pictures don't do close to any justice for how the car looked in person!

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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Enjoy the final after shots with our Signature Gloss Finish!










 
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Guys -

In my efforts to delete one of the replies in the gang-pile on Rich (again) this thread became the last time, I accidentally deleted it. IB can't un-delete it unfortunately. I want to extend my apologies to all the guys who took the time to post compliments on the polish job.

A few others, most in the industry and several of you paying sponsors, have taken the low road and have chosen to bash him for no other reason that I can see but either fear of his growing business, jealousy of his products (especially those of you who used to use them and know they are great but won't admit it - you know who you are), or both. The "clicks" among you guys are as bad as high school girls and it's becoming obvious. I have asked other moderators to help keep an eye on this in the future. Since most replies come from guys in the business I would hope that out of professional courtesy some of the replies that get posted are thought a bit about more.

Again, my apologies for accidently deleting this the first time.
 
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I just received an email from the owner of the Aston Martin. This was his actual testimonial from the paint correction & signature detail.

"The car literarily looks better than it did on the showroom floor, and that's no exaggeration. The paint has a deep, wet look that doesn't even look real. I thought that once a car has swirl marks that it was impossible to remove them, but now I can't find a single swirl mark, even in the gleaming sun. I inspected the car as carefully as I could and I could not find a single flaw. It's absolutely pristine. The car looks so clean now I wish I could park it in my living room."


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Old Oct 25, 2008 | 09:04 AM
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Rich, you should send me some of that stuff to try out.

Soft paint that is not badly damaged is easy to correct in one step, I'd like to try it out on something that has harder paint with more damage.

I'd be willing to bet it won't be a one step correction in that case.

People that are reading this that don't know better may get the impression that this one step process can easily make there hard Audi, MB, Corvette or other hard clears easy to fix in one step.

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Old Oct 25, 2008 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JoshVette
Rich, you should send me some of that stuff to try out.

Soft paint that is not badly damaged is easy to correct in one step, I'd like to try it out on something that has harder paint with more damage.

I'd be willing to bet it won't be a one step correction in that case.

People that are reading this that don't know better may get the impression that this one step process can easily make there hard Audi, MB, Corvette or other hard clears easy to fix in one step.

Josh
The thing is Josh with the exception of the newly introduced Menzerna 1 step there has never really been a product that was designed for the sole purpose of doing 1 step paint correction... and I dont consider Meguiars D151 a one step product because it has heavy filling properties. So in most peoples minds the idea of 1 step paint correction (without filling and properly finishing down) seems, well, far fetched. And that is understandable. Often times detailers would use, as I used to use the Menzerna 106ff with a white polishing pad for 1 step jobs. After using the gloss it 1 step for several months now I can say that it really is a 1 step product that can achieve solid paint correction on even rock hard paints. For example I have gotten 90% correction out of a medium swirled black ceramiclear Mercedes CLS using the 1 step only and a cyclo of all machines. Now using my makita and the EVP with the one step will yield even better results, especially on harder cc's. The best part about the one step is the finish is leaves behind is super smooth and has a deep shine.
 
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Do prime products really help for the pads? As well, how is the main advantage of pre-polymerfoam material?
 
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Originally Posted by JoshVette
Rich, you should send me some of that stuff to try out.

Soft paint that is not badly damaged is easy to correct in one step, I'd like to try it out on something that has harder paint with more damage.

I'd be willing to bet it won't be a one step correction in that case.

People that are reading this that don't know better may get the impression that this one step process can easily make there hard Audi, MB, Corvette or other hard clears easy to fix in one step.

Josh
Josh,

I agree the paint on the Aston Martin is much softer.Your questions are well addressed regarding harder paints. (i.e. Audi, MB, Corvette).

Yesterday we had a blk 2005 545i in the shop. This paint was very hard and had many of the heavy scratches & swirls that should require a wool pad with some fine blocking with 2000 grit paper for the deeper scratches.

The customer wanted an estimate to repair the finish. We used the drivers door as the test panel. Here are some 50/50 shots. We used the same white 5.5 pre-polymer foam with extreme cut and EVP. Now we did have to make several more passes then the Aston Martin to accomplish in one step.

Inside: Halogens (1000 watt )

50/50



Left Side (before )


Right Side (after)


Outside Sun Shot:

50/50
 
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