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how do you polish and wax with a flex?

Old Sep 1, 2009 | 11:31 PM
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Smile how do you polish and wax with a flex?

I just tried my first attempt with the flex and I am not sure if I did it properly. lol


Products I am used:
-Menzerna Intensive Polish
-Menzerna Super Finish
-einszett Glanz Wax
Process I just found on another thread but did not use:
- Apply 15 ~ 20 lbs of pressure
- Move the buffer at 1 - 2" per second
- Work in small areas first until you get the hang of it, like 12" x 12", then move up to 18" x 18" or so.
- Apply about 3 pea sized drops of polish for each working area
- Pass over each spot of your working area 6 - 8 times prior to removing the broken down polish with a microfiber towel by hand
- Use speed settings between 4 - 6 when polishing
- Use at least 500w halogen lighting to expose the imperfections
- Tape off any trim or area that you do not want polish to get on (trim, lights, etc.)

Just placed an order with Moe for SwissVax wax products, that I will apply by hand. Can someone else how to use the flex to apply polish and wax (liquid wax)? I only tested it on the hood of my dd (pcar) to see how it turned out. The results were fine, however, I dont think that I did the polish part properly seeing as that is the step that is meant to produce most of the flawless shine.

My process:
Wash
Clay (used lots of clay lube, is that normal? ~250ml)
Msip
Msf
Glanz Wax

On the polish and waxing I didnt really go over the area multiple times and tried to cover the hood in one go. I wasn't sure when to stop using the flex as I was worried that if I worked it for too long and the product dried that it would scratch the paint. I did the wax the same way doing just one pass across the whole hood.

Let me know where I went wrong or how to improve my technique. Going to keep testing on my dd until I get decent before I try it on my other cars.

Thanks.
 
Old Sep 2, 2009 | 09:53 AM
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You got to work in the product, & go over the same spot several times. There are times where you will have to hit the same spot 2-3 more times after you wipe off the product & inspect. Polish is nothing like wax, you got to work it.

SP 6 for polish
sp 3 for wax
 
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Originally Posted by blitzo
Process I just found on another thread but did not use:
- Apply 15 ~ 20 lbs of pressure
- Move the buffer at 1 - 2" per second
- Work in small areas first until you get the hang of it, like 12" x 12", then move up to 18" x 18" or so.
- Apply about 3 pea sized drops of polish for each working area
- Pass over each spot of your working area 6 - 8 times prior to removing the broken down polish with a microfiber towel by hand
- Use speed settings between 4 - 6 when polishing
- Use at least 500w halogen lighting to expose the imperfections
- Tape off any trim or area that you do not want polish to get on (trim, lights, etc.)
If you were to follow that exactly, you'll get as good of results as you'll get with the first time using a Flex. If you have any questions on anything, please do not hesitate to ask.

George
 
Old Sep 2, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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will the 3 pea size drops be enough? after a while the polish seems to break down and i am scared of scratching the paint. when do i know when to stop the flex?
 
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Originally Posted by blitzo
will the 3 pea size drops be enough? after a while the polish seems to break down and i am scared of scratching the paint. when do i know when to stop the flex?
The polish should flash over to a oily clear film. You actually can do more damage & scratch the paint by not working the polish long enough. the polish becomes less abrasive as you work it.
 
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:-) thanks for the help.

i just watched this vid on youtube that says to smear on the polish, then spread it on 3 and finally work it in on 5-6 until it breaks down.

not sure if it is because i am new to this or what but it is taking me a couple of hours to do this full process to small sections of my car.
 
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Originally Posted by blitzo
:-) thanks for the help.

i just watched this vid on youtube that says to smear on the polish, then spread it on 3 and finally work it in on 5-6 until it breaks down.

not sure if it is because i am new to this or what but it is taking me a couple of hours to do this full process to small sections of my car.
If it's taking you hours, sometimes 6-8, to just polish with sip, then you're doing something RIGHT. remember, the first stage is always the most important as it's the stage where all the correction happens. Just take your time and do it over several days as not to get tired and cut corners.
 
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i am trying to tackle my dd over a couple of days. i am only spending 3-4hrs a day, so this might take a while. i am also only able to do i panel per day. i can definitely see the improvements on the panels but definitely a hard learning curve. i am also running out of clay lube very quickly lol.
 
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Originally Posted by blitzo
i am trying to tackle my dd over a couple of days. i am only spending 3-4hrs a day, so this might take a while. i am also only able to do i panel per day. i can definitely see the improvements on the panels but definitely a hard learning curve. i am also running out of clay lube very quickly lol.
Awesome!!! Keep at it and you'll be very proud of yourself once it's all done.

Do you want me to send you more lube?
 
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:-) thanks moe. still not too sure about what i am doing or if i am doing it properly lol.

ya if you could send me some more lube, that would be awesome. also do you have anything comparable to poorboy's trim restorer? i just received my current order with you.
 
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Too many guys are just all about twisted wool and 105 and busting out a car.

I don't know how I feel about using your Flex on speed 6. It will do some pretty good correction. But, I think running past speed 5 for any length of time may result in thermal shutdown? They get pretty warm!!

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Too many guys are just all about twisted wool and 105 and busting out a car.

I don't know how I feel about using your Flex on speed 6. It will do some pretty good correction. But, I think running past speed 5 for any length of time may result in thermal shutdown? They get pretty warm!!

Andy
+1...The flex shouldn't go past 5.5 for a long period of time. You'll begin melting some of the components inside the machine. Both you and the flex should take a quick break every 30 minutes.
 

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I agree with not running the buffer @ full speed for long periods of time. Moe, good tip on taking a quick brake every 30 minutes or so. I'd highly recommend drinking lots of water during detailing. I've gotten dehydrated a few times in the past and it's never fun. Now I'll go through a gallon or two of water per detail.

Polishing is a slow and tedious process, but the good thing is if you maintain your vehicle properly, you can usually get away with just a finishing polish after the initial correction.

Best of luck Blitzo, be sure to keep us posted on your results.

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It should take hours! Why don't people understand this? It's a process & it takes time.

Why are you running out of clay lube? You should really only clay 1-2x a year. Claying can & will put scratches in the paint. I usually clay right after the wash, don't dry the car, then use a little lube with the water still on the car.

A good cheap lube is a couple of drops of dawn in a spray bottle. It works great, but most of the time you need to rerince the car after.
 
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maybe i am spraying too much lube on the car. this is the first time i am claying my dd. I am spraying lube as the area i am lubing dries. I just went through a small bottle of lube on just the hood and front fenders. i must be spraying too much lube but i find that the lube is running off the car.
 

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