opinions on dassport bar
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most of the pix shown on the thread with TC design bar are/were my cars.
if you are concerned with wt, get the tequipment bar.
if you are conerned about your life, get TCD bar.
60lbs is about right for a rear bar. i cannot believe GMG bar is much lighter. personally i wouldn't trust a sub 50 lb roll bar. with the triangulation required, you will easily exceed 50 lbs.
btw, 50-60 increase in a 7gt3 is minimal and you will not feel it. in fact, not many pro's will feel 50 lbs in a 3400lb car, yes that's how heavy RS are with a 180lb driver in the car and full tank.
if you are concerned with wt, get the tequipment bar.
if you are conerned about your life, get TCD bar.
60lbs is about right for a rear bar. i cannot believe GMG bar is much lighter. personally i wouldn't trust a sub 50 lb roll bar. with the triangulation required, you will easily exceed 50 lbs.
btw, 50-60 increase in a 7gt3 is minimal and you will not feel it. in fact, not many pro's will feel 50 lbs in a 3400lb car, yes that's how heavy RS are with a 180lb driver in the car and full tank.
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price 2500 or so with powder coating and labor for install. if you think you can DIY. forget it, 1/2 of the pro shops can't get it in, i am not kidding.
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thanks for the advice. just not a fan of welding anything in my RS if i can avoided. GMG quoted 35lbs for their roll bar - pretty light due to use of light weight 4130 Chrome-Moly Tubing. i will not DIY a roll bar unless i am building a dedicated track car.
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I've had the OEM RS rollbars in my '07 997 GT3 from day one. I never drove the car without it.
I love the feel of my GT3 and structural rigidity BUT what has driven me crazy is the creeking sound. It has been continuous and there has been no alleviation. The bolts get re-tightened but no improvement.
The TCDesign rollbars looks very nice. Problem is though, I guess you have to be in No. Cali.
Did GMG make a rollbar system that bolts to the rear suspension points?
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I love the feel of my GT3 and structural rigidity BUT what has driven me crazy is the creeking sound. It has been continuous and there has been no alleviation. The bolts get re-tightened but no improvement.
The TCDesign rollbars looks very nice. Problem is though, I guess you have to be in No. Cali.
Did GMG make a rollbar system that bolts to the rear suspension points?
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i am concern about weight and every lb of weight loss in our GT3/RS tend to cost a-lot of pretty penny. that is why i am not excited about the DAS roll bar - adding another 60 lbs. having a custom roll bar made like you mentioned where rear seat belt mount is deleted and incorporate rear kicker to shock tower is the winning combination for a bolt on roll bar. i will contact GMG and see what they can offer. hopefully i won't have to sell my M3 to afford the roll bar lol
unfortunately, i have an extra set of OEM 19" for track. love to have some light 18" .... but cost is another issue. i learn that everything cost just about twice as much for Porsche compare with BMW. for example, i paid around $2500 for a set of light weight forged 18" wheels for my M3 much like the champion 18" .... but it cost almost twice as much for Porsche. anyway, just trying to lessen the pain while playing the Porsche game by looking for the best bang for the buck setup. thanks for all the useful info. carnerd, i think i recognize your GT3. do you run with trackmaster? is your GT3 in the photo below?
OEM bar is a good choice and i might have to get it too if GMG cost too much. do you have the weight of the OEM bar? nice RS by the way and love your color
do you still have your M3?
unfortunately, i have an extra set of OEM 19" for track. love to have some light 18" .... but cost is another issue. i learn that everything cost just about twice as much for Porsche compare with BMW. for example, i paid around $2500 for a set of light weight forged 18" wheels for my M3 much like the champion 18" .... but it cost almost twice as much for Porsche. anyway, just trying to lessen the pain while playing the Porsche game by looking for the best bang for the buck setup. thanks for all the useful info. carnerd, i think i recognize your GT3. do you run with trackmaster? is your GT3 in the photo below?
OEM bar is a good choice and i might have to get it too if GMG cost too much. do you have the weight of the OEM bar? nice RS by the way and love your color
do you still have your M3?
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cool! i still have mine too. just love driving it. wow! still modding the M? E92 in the future?
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i am concern about weight and every lb of weight loss in our GT3/RS tend to cost a-lot of pretty penny. that is why i am not excited about the DAS roll bar - adding another 60 lbs. having a custom roll bar made like you mentioned where rear seat belt mount is deleted and incorporate rear kicker to shock tower is the winning combination for a bolt on roll bar. i will contact GMG and see what they can offer. hopefully i won't have to sell my M3 to afford the roll bar lol
unfortunately, i have an extra set of OEM 19" for track. love to have some light 18" .... but cost is another issue. i learn that everything cost just about twice as much for Porsche compare with BMW. for example, i paid around $2500 for a set of light weight forged 18" wheels for my M3 much like the champion 18" .... but it cost almost twice as much for Porsche. anyway, just trying to lessen the pain while playing the Porsche game by looking for the best bang for the buck setup. thanks for all the useful info. carnerd, i think i recognize your GT3. do you run with trackmaster? is your GT3 in the photo below?
unfortunately, i have an extra set of OEM 19" for track. love to have some light 18" .... but cost is another issue. i learn that everything cost just about twice as much for Porsche compare with BMW. for example, i paid around $2500 for a set of light weight forged 18" wheels for my M3 much like the champion 18" .... but it cost almost twice as much for Porsche. anyway, just trying to lessen the pain while playing the Porsche game by looking for the best bang for the buck setup. thanks for all the useful info. carnerd, i think i recognize your GT3. do you run with trackmaster? is your GT3 in the photo below?
+1 on what Mooty said about weight. I've talked with several pro drivers about it and honestly unless you're running sub 1:37's at LS and sub 1:50's at SP constisetnly in a stock car on Hoosiers you most likely wont notice the difference. Even then you might not.
If you can, find some near you with the TC bar and have them show you the work Tony does. It's amazing!
O' and sell those OEM's and get a good set of CCW 18's. They are priced around the same and are much much better. You'll notice the difference.
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with all the rb choices with the rear shock mounts... how much does the oem RS rb weigh? im assuming 40lbs. how about gmg rb + GMG GT Cup Harness Reinforcement Bracing ? is that 40lbs as well?
if the das is 60lbs, your only gonna increase about 20lb going with oem RS or gmg. like what carnerd mentioned, unless your doingi 1:73 at LS, most of us wont even notice the extra 20lbs.
if the das is 60lbs, your only gonna increase about 20lb going with oem RS or gmg. like what carnerd mentioned, unless your doingi 1:73 at LS, most of us wont even notice the extra 20lbs.
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pick the one that doesn't squeak. you will definitely feel that. hehe
AFAIK, GMG and OEM RS bars creak or squeak. DAS doesn't. don't know about TCD.
but if your gt3/rs only does track duty, then i guess the squeaking is a non-issue.
AFAIK, GMG and OEM RS bars creak or squeak. DAS doesn't. don't know about TCD.
but if your gt3/rs only does track duty, then i guess the squeaking is a non-issue.
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it's down to GMG or OEM at this point. trying to iron out some detail on custom GMG bar with suspension mount and rear seat mount delete. even though i am not that fast on the track, the extra 20 lbs will still slow me down ... in my head lol
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one advantage about the GMG bar is that it allow you to move the seat back further than OEM bar. i am 6'1" so the back of my seat is behind the B-pillar which will hit the OEM RS bar ... it will be a tight fit even with GT3 or GT2 seats
new GMG roll bar allow more room for back of seat
vs OEM RS roll bar
OEM bar .... man, just not excised about cutting the floor carpet and weld
