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Talk to me about your GT3-RS......
I just sold one of my Stradales........and looking for a replacement. Would owners of an RS please give me your feedback about why you picked it over others........and even non owners.......who went with something else. Why did you decide against?
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GT3 RS and CS are great compliments. Here's something I posted a while back:
OK, I knew the GT3 RS vs. CS questions would come. Here's what I can say for sure about driving the GT3 RS on not-so-perfect curvy California mountain roads with lots of bumps, crests, straight-aways, and some very tight turns:
1. The acceleration feels the same as the CS. You need to be above 5-6K to get good throttle response and power. I'd say the throttle response in the CS is faster. The CS "barks" at you when you blip the throttle. The RS kind of barks, but not as violently.
2. The steering feel in the GT3 RS is noticeably better. It feels more direct. That was a big surprise.
3. Brakes feel about the same (I have carbon brakes in the CS and steel in the RS).
4. I couldn't get the car to oversteer, although I could do that in the CS on the same roads. I'd say that's because there's more rubber. I doubt I'll see oversteer on public streets with this car.
5. After a bump, the car takes a bit longer to settle down. The CS settles nearly immediately (the RS was in sport mode with the hard shock settings). Because of this, I'd say the CS feels more planted then the RS on rough roads.
6. The CS sound is much better. As the revs increase in the RS, you start to get a nice hollow-like sounds, but nothing like the CS scream. The RS is much quieter.
7. Of course, the CS F1 is much easier to use. But, the RS shifter and clutch are very good. The shift feel is very short and solid. Not a rubbery feel at all!
8. The CS has it on visibility, both front and rear. The CS front view is just outstanding.
9. The car gets a lot of attention, maybe not as much as my CS. My neighbors came by right away to see what the heck I bought after seeing it up a long driveway. The black and orange is strange, beautiful and mean. My neighbor immediately said it reminded him of the 1974 Carrera RS. My wife thought the green RS was "happier" when she saw it at the dealer today. The black and orange feels kind of scary. Maybe because it's halloween colors? The giant rear wing adds to that a bit.
10. Compared to my Ruf, the RS has noticeably less torque (300 vs 500) and doesn't accelerate nearly as fast. But, the handling and feel is so much better, I don't really mind. The RS feels like it's made from a single block of steel. The Ruf and CS are close, but not really the same. The RS just feels very solid.
11. High speed stability to 130 MPH was good. I didn't go faster. The CS stability is outstanding at 170+. I'd be surprised if the RS is as good at that speed. The CS just had incredible aerodynamics, top and bottom, with no wing. Looking under the RS, you see the engine and other parts. Looking under the CS you see a giant, smooth venturi tunnel. Porsche is a bit behind Ferrari in the aerodynamics area, at least in the 911 series.
12. My wife got sick in the RS. She doesn't get sick in the CS. So, I guess I was driving it a bit faster.
Overall, I would say the CS is more fun to drive because of the sound, the F1, the better view, and the better technology, in my opinion. The RS is raw and fun in a different way. I primarily bought it because of what the mags are saying and I liked the way is looks. I also like the fact that not a lot of people have one (I think there's only 200-300 in the US). I also like that Porsche is trying to get back to what everyone loves about 911s. This RS is the first time I even considered buying a Porsche again since my 993 TT, and I am not disappointed... although my wife still likes the "happy" green car.
OK, I knew the GT3 RS vs. CS questions would come. Here's what I can say for sure about driving the GT3 RS on not-so-perfect curvy California mountain roads with lots of bumps, crests, straight-aways, and some very tight turns:
1. The acceleration feels the same as the CS. You need to be above 5-6K to get good throttle response and power. I'd say the throttle response in the CS is faster. The CS "barks" at you when you blip the throttle. The RS kind of barks, but not as violently.
2. The steering feel in the GT3 RS is noticeably better. It feels more direct. That was a big surprise.
3. Brakes feel about the same (I have carbon brakes in the CS and steel in the RS).
4. I couldn't get the car to oversteer, although I could do that in the CS on the same roads. I'd say that's because there's more rubber. I doubt I'll see oversteer on public streets with this car.
5. After a bump, the car takes a bit longer to settle down. The CS settles nearly immediately (the RS was in sport mode with the hard shock settings). Because of this, I'd say the CS feels more planted then the RS on rough roads.
6. The CS sound is much better. As the revs increase in the RS, you start to get a nice hollow-like sounds, but nothing like the CS scream. The RS is much quieter.
7. Of course, the CS F1 is much easier to use. But, the RS shifter and clutch are very good. The shift feel is very short and solid. Not a rubbery feel at all!
8. The CS has it on visibility, both front and rear. The CS front view is just outstanding.
9. The car gets a lot of attention, maybe not as much as my CS. My neighbors came by right away to see what the heck I bought after seeing it up a long driveway. The black and orange is strange, beautiful and mean. My neighbor immediately said it reminded him of the 1974 Carrera RS. My wife thought the green RS was "happier" when she saw it at the dealer today. The black and orange feels kind of scary. Maybe because it's halloween colors? The giant rear wing adds to that a bit.
10. Compared to my Ruf, the RS has noticeably less torque (300 vs 500) and doesn't accelerate nearly as fast. But, the handling and feel is so much better, I don't really mind. The RS feels like it's made from a single block of steel. The Ruf and CS are close, but not really the same. The RS just feels very solid.
11. High speed stability to 130 MPH was good. I didn't go faster. The CS stability is outstanding at 170+. I'd be surprised if the RS is as good at that speed. The CS just had incredible aerodynamics, top and bottom, with no wing. Looking under the RS, you see the engine and other parts. Looking under the CS you see a giant, smooth venturi tunnel. Porsche is a bit behind Ferrari in the aerodynamics area, at least in the 911 series.
12. My wife got sick in the RS. She doesn't get sick in the CS. So, I guess I was driving it a bit faster.
Overall, I would say the CS is more fun to drive because of the sound, the F1, the better view, and the better technology, in my opinion. The RS is raw and fun in a different way. I primarily bought it because of what the mags are saying and I liked the way is looks. I also like the fact that not a lot of people have one (I think there's only 200-300 in the US). I also like that Porsche is trying to get back to what everyone loves about 911s. This RS is the first time I even considered buying a Porsche again since my 993 TT, and I am not disappointed... although my wife still likes the "happy" green car.
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So you decided to take my advice and get rid of one of the CS to replace it for a RS. Well I want to be the first to Congrat you on wanting to become a member or the F40/CS, CGT/RS owners club.
All I can say.... You will enjoy it. Take my advice and get a fully optioned car. It seems those hold their value better.
Good Luck in your search
Dan
So you decided to take my advice and get rid of one of the CS to replace it for a RS. Well I want to be the first to Congrat you on wanting to become a member or the F40/CS, CGT/RS owners club.
All I can say.... You will enjoy it. Take my advice and get a fully optioned car. It seems those hold their value better.Good Luck in your search
Dan
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I agree. I also have a CGT and CS. The GT3 RS is easier to drive fast and in some ways more fun than the CGT. I agree that the GT3RS/CGT and F40/CS are great pairs... just take out the baby brother when you're not up for the big guy.
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GT3 RS and CS are great compliments. Here's something I posted a while back:
OK, I knew the GT3 RS vs. CS questions would come. Here's what I can say for sure about driving the GT3 RS on not-so-perfect curvy California mountain roads with lots of bumps, crests, straight-aways, and some very tight turns:
1. The acceleration feels the same as the CS. You need to be above 5-6K to get good throttle response and power. I'd say the throttle response in the CS is faster. The CS "barks" at you when you blip the throttle. The RS kind of barks, but not as violently.
2. The steering feel in the GT3 RS is noticeably better. It feels more direct. That was a big surprise.
3. Brakes feel about the same (I have carbon brakes in the CS and steel in the RS).
4. I couldn't get the car to oversteer, although I could do that in the CS on the same roads. I'd say that's because there's more rubber. I doubt I'll see oversteer on public streets with this car.
5. After a bump, the car takes a bit longer to settle down. The CS settles nearly immediately (the RS was in sport mode with the hard shock settings). Because of this, I'd say the CS feels more planted then the RS on rough roads.
6. The CS sound is much better. As the revs increase in the RS, you start to get a nice hollow-like sounds, but nothing like the CS scream. The RS is much quieter.
7. Of course, the CS F1 is much easier to use. But, the RS shifter and clutch are very good. The shift feel is very short and solid. Not a rubbery feel at all!
8. The CS has it on visibility, both front and rear. The CS front view is just outstanding.
9. The car gets a lot of attention, maybe not as much as my CS. My neighbors came by right away to see what the heck I bought after seeing it up a long driveway. The black and orange is strange, beautiful and mean. My neighbor immediately said it reminded him of the 1974 Carrera RS. My wife thought the green RS was "happier" when she saw it at the dealer today. The black and orange feels kind of scary. Maybe because it's halloween colors? The giant rear wing adds to that a bit.
10. Compared to my Ruf, the RS has noticeably less torque (300 vs 500) and doesn't accelerate nearly as fast. But, the handling and feel is so much better, I don't really mind. The RS feels like it's made from a single block of steel. The Ruf and CS are close, but not really the same. The RS just feels very solid.
11. High speed stability to 130 MPH was good. I didn't go faster. The CS stability is outstanding at 170+. I'd be surprised if the RS is as good at that speed. The CS just had incredible aerodynamics, top and bottom, with no wing. Looking under the RS, you see the engine and other parts. Looking under the CS you see a giant, smooth venturi tunnel. Porsche is a bit behind Ferrari in the aerodynamics area, at least in the 911 series.
12. My wife got sick in the RS. She doesn't get sick in the CS. So, I guess I was driving it a bit faster.
Overall, I would say the CS is more fun to drive because of the sound, the F1, the better view, and the better technology, in my opinion. The RS is raw and fun in a different way. I primarily bought it because of what the mags are saying and I liked the way is looks. I also like the fact that not a lot of people have one (I think there's only 200-300 in the US). I also like that Porsche is trying to get back to what everyone loves about 911s. This RS is the first time I even considered buying a Porsche again since my 993 TT, and I am not disappointed... although my wife still likes the "happy" green car.
OK, I knew the GT3 RS vs. CS questions would come. Here's what I can say for sure about driving the GT3 RS on not-so-perfect curvy California mountain roads with lots of bumps, crests, straight-aways, and some very tight turns:
1. The acceleration feels the same as the CS. You need to be above 5-6K to get good throttle response and power. I'd say the throttle response in the CS is faster. The CS "barks" at you when you blip the throttle. The RS kind of barks, but not as violently.
2. The steering feel in the GT3 RS is noticeably better. It feels more direct. That was a big surprise.
3. Brakes feel about the same (I have carbon brakes in the CS and steel in the RS).
4. I couldn't get the car to oversteer, although I could do that in the CS on the same roads. I'd say that's because there's more rubber. I doubt I'll see oversteer on public streets with this car.
5. After a bump, the car takes a bit longer to settle down. The CS settles nearly immediately (the RS was in sport mode with the hard shock settings). Because of this, I'd say the CS feels more planted then the RS on rough roads.
6. The CS sound is much better. As the revs increase in the RS, you start to get a nice hollow-like sounds, but nothing like the CS scream. The RS is much quieter.
7. Of course, the CS F1 is much easier to use. But, the RS shifter and clutch are very good. The shift feel is very short and solid. Not a rubbery feel at all!
8. The CS has it on visibility, both front and rear. The CS front view is just outstanding.
9. The car gets a lot of attention, maybe not as much as my CS. My neighbors came by right away to see what the heck I bought after seeing it up a long driveway. The black and orange is strange, beautiful and mean. My neighbor immediately said it reminded him of the 1974 Carrera RS. My wife thought the green RS was "happier" when she saw it at the dealer today. The black and orange feels kind of scary. Maybe because it's halloween colors? The giant rear wing adds to that a bit.
10. Compared to my Ruf, the RS has noticeably less torque (300 vs 500) and doesn't accelerate nearly as fast. But, the handling and feel is so much better, I don't really mind. The RS feels like it's made from a single block of steel. The Ruf and CS are close, but not really the same. The RS just feels very solid.
11. High speed stability to 130 MPH was good. I didn't go faster. The CS stability is outstanding at 170+. I'd be surprised if the RS is as good at that speed. The CS just had incredible aerodynamics, top and bottom, with no wing. Looking under the RS, you see the engine and other parts. Looking under the CS you see a giant, smooth venturi tunnel. Porsche is a bit behind Ferrari in the aerodynamics area, at least in the 911 series.
12. My wife got sick in the RS. She doesn't get sick in the CS. So, I guess I was driving it a bit faster.
Overall, I would say the CS is more fun to drive because of the sound, the F1, the better view, and the better technology, in my opinion. The RS is raw and fun in a different way. I primarily bought it because of what the mags are saying and I liked the way is looks. I also like the fact that not a lot of people have one (I think there's only 200-300 in the US). I also like that Porsche is trying to get back to what everyone loves about 911s. This RS is the first time I even considered buying a Porsche again since my 993 TT, and I am not disappointed... although my wife still likes the "happy" green car.
The CS is a fantastic looking car, but had trouble managing a 996GT3. I would agree that the CS's stock exhaust sounds faster than a 997GT3RS and perhaps thats what makes it's owners think its faster. Also your entire description of the CS's "superiority"??? in aerodynamics is ridiculous.
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There was no "others" for me. This is what I wanted so this is what I got. For me, it's the perfect blend of track/street and it works so very well on both that it's amazing that one car can have all this competency on the track and be so civil on the road.
The CS is a wonderful car, I'd love to have one of those. Bill S has made some very good points so listen to the man.
The CS is a wonderful car, I'd love to have one of those. Bill S has made some very good points so listen to the man.
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BTW, I have both, so I think I'm being unbiased.
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Sorry but I couldn't help but think that your report on your RS vs CS sounded a bit like state-employed journalist afraid of hurting his employers feelings.
The CS is a fantastic looking car, but had trouble managing a 996GT3. I would agree that the CS's stock exhaust sounds faster than a 997GT3RS and perhaps thats what makes it's owners think its faster. Also your entire description of the CS's "superiority"??? in aerodynamics is ridiculous.
The CS is a fantastic looking car, but had trouble managing a 996GT3. I would agree that the CS's stock exhaust sounds faster than a 997GT3RS and perhaps thats what makes it's owners think its faster. Also your entire description of the CS's "superiority"??? in aerodynamics is ridiculous.
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Wow, high praise. I've always discounted the RS as an over-priced and over-hyped GT3 - perhaps I should re-consider that opinion.
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The CS is superior aerodynamically. If you drive both at hide speed with a crosswind you'll see. The CS is as straight as an arrow. Its underside venturi design (like the CGT) cannot be done with the GT3 design, which, BTW, requires the large rear spoiler for stability. The CS doesn't need that. The entire underside of the CS is the "spoiler".
BTW, I have both, so I think I'm being unbiased.
BTW, I have both, so I think I'm being unbiased.
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I call the GT3 RS the little brother to the CGT... it doesn't accelerate as hard and doesn't get so many looks (and no open top), but it does do some things very well. Kind of like the F40 and the CS.
BTW, I don't think the new GT2 is the little brother because it's a turbo with a greatly reduced redline and different sound. But it is very fast.
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So you decided to take my advice and get rid of one of the CS to replace it for a RS. Well I want to be the first to Congrat you on wanting to become a member or the F40/CS, CGT/RS owners club. All I can say.... You will enjoy it. Take my advice and get a fully optioned car. It seems those hold their value better.
Good Luck in your search
Dan
So you decided to take my advice and get rid of one of the CS to replace it for a RS. Well I want to be the first to Congrat you on wanting to become a member or the F40/CS, CGT/RS owners club.
All I can say.... You will enjoy it. Take my advice and get a fully optioned car. It seems those hold their value better.Good Luck in your search
Dan
