Which A) isn't what you said, and B) is still BS. You said:
At 100 mph 86% of the resistance to acceleration for either the GT3 or M6 comes from the weight of the car. But I like your definition of "little to none" and "less important".

The list of things you don't know could obviously fill a library. German auto mags don't rely on manufacture's data- they put the cars into wind tunnels. The numbers I used came from Sport Auto and Auto Bild, which are around middle of the road, though there are many sources (search MIRA wind tunnel tests, etc). They are not exactly surprising- the M6 is 2 inches wider and 3 inches taller than the GT3, so it would be shocking if it didn't have a bigger frontal area...

Yes, math is tough, isn't it?

 

BillS- the fastest 60-130 runs are started out as rolls bc of gearing. Running from a dig the driver will redline every gear which doesnt optimize 60-130 bc 2nd could top out at 70; therefore, it would potentially be faster to roll on the gas in third and save a shift.

Petevb u r a funny guy. Haha u make me laugh.

It seems to me that ur are too busy sitting behind a calculator making calculations instead of driving around racing ur car or looking for some much needed female companionship.

Weight has a much greater impact on the quickness of a car in the 1/4 mile as it decreases the et more dramatically than it increases the trap speed. (btw ur quoting of heavychevy on this matter is laughable too as his posts say the same thing--maybe ur english is not so good?) Therefore weight does not have as much of an impact at such high speeds

So what was the point of ur calculations. By punching a few numbers u feel the gt3 should win? In real life not on a calculator I believe the M6 will pull the GT3

 

damn this thread got kinda crazy. petevb, thanks for all the math...good stuff.

and if youre going to start comparing a modded m5/m6, well hell, lets throw in divex's (900rwhp)or markski's (850 rwhp) 996TT, there isnt an m5/m6 out there that will keep up.

 

hahhaa very true!

I am just very surprised with the fact that gt3ranger keeps on referring to a modded car, when the original video was a stock RS vs stock M6.

haha it makes me laugh because he thinks that just because his nitrous boosted car is fast then automatically every wackass m5/6 are right there with his car hahahaa.

and a gt3>m6

no one cares how fast your modded car is.. you gotta compare apples to apples not watermelons to zebras!

but it is true that a modded m5/6 will take a modded gt3/rs, but the case here is factory to factory


take care and have an enjoyable day gentleman.

 

Yes, for some cars. The CGT, for example, gets the fastest 60 to 130 starting in 2nd, so the magazine-calculated 60 to 130 times (which start from 0) are close to what you see when timing 60 to 130 from a roll. That is, the CGT is in 2nd at 60 in both the magazine test and the fastest rolling 60 to 130 test.

This may also be the case for the GT3 and M5, when comparing 60 to 130 from the magazine tests, but I haven't verified that using the engine and gear charts.

 

Just a little comparison gentlemen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1XgGm5qB8

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...911-turbo.html

On the second link checkout the correct run.

Now "do the math"!!! The lambo beats the 997GT3 and then the exact same lambo get trounced by the M6. These are ALL stock cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now to those who insist on bring in other modded cars into the discussion I first say this; if you want to mod then mod the GT3/RS and mod the M5/M6. But no you guys want to bring in forced induction Porsches which do not apply if you want to have a proper discussion.

You know what, bring the Porsche you wish. The time is coming when the M5 fully built TT motor will be here.
I will say no more.

A stock GT3 will never beat a stock M6
A modded GT3 will never beat a modded M6!!!

Do not bring in the turbo arguement but if you insist the M5 V10 TT built motor will be here and it will be time to rip some lungs out.

"F" this subject, geez

Ranger

 

ranger you gotta relax man. you are being too serious about this. putting a bad name into yourself. chill man geez.

 

Bottom line for Ranger is M5 with NOZ is the shiznat! He'd defended with his ***** on a stick. And he's the PR Executive for ASR.

 

Ranger, it's very obvious to ANYONE looking at the data that the GT3 is more than capable of beating the M6 and Vice Versa in a roll on race. It's as simple as what speed you start at for optimal gearing in one car vs the other can decide this race.

BTW the vids you posted, while I think the M6 would win, only show some granny shifting in the GT3, you can see the front end dive because of poor shifting. Not only that but the G gets the jump. It takes near powershifting to keep the GT3 in the pwerband.

But in the OP's first post, the GT3 didnt dive like that, and the M6 had a passenger, so even that race would have likely .been a dead heat with no passenger in the M6.

Keevo, do you still have that vid of Jenks M6 and GT3???

 

Gentlemen, I guess the videos are no good for all of you. Now coming into discussion are all these stipulation, come on!
One deals with the "street". You run your a$$ off, give it your best and you win you win or you lose you lose. That simple guys.
Now these videos are dissected in all the details. These runs from M5Board are know to be reputable but I guess anything can be rigged.
Allow me to comment on the original video at the bottom of all this.
The M6 sounds totally flat. Did not drop any gears to prepare for the run. It appears that the driver just floored it in 7th. I did not detect a single shift.
Then in that condition, yes the the GT3/RS will pull away.

Another thing, I am NOT in anyway putting my M5 into this discussion. Agreed the discussion is stock to stock. The videos I submitted all are stock.
My M5 has nothing to do in this discussion.
Others continue to inject turbos and what not to the talk.

I would do a run of my GT3 vs. my M5 put not appropriate because the M5 is modded even without the nitrous. The GT3 is modded but still not fair.
I can not find a stock M5/M6 down here.
Even if I did put together the run I know that I will be questioned and told that I am a BS liar and phony.
There's no upside.

Understand that my M5 has nothing to do with this. Go ahead and mock me, that's fine by me. This comparison has gone beyond and over the edge.

Good day gentlemen, please understand there are no hard feelings.

Ranger

 

First of all Ranger, nobody had mentioned anything about a GT3RS being modded up until you started to compare your "heavily modded" M5 and even challenging a stock GT3RS with it. The fact is the GT3RS performance is soooo close with either an M5 or M6 that in the real world it would be a drivers race.

 

BTW, the M6 beating the Gallardo is not so surprising, i've seen the M6 beating a Murci. That's shocking and even unbelievable. I'll have to say that the Murci driver ****ed somehow. The point is, The Gallardo's weight and performance spec is very close to the M6, just how the GT3RS is, so it could go either way depending on the driver.

In addition, at the end of the video between the M6 vs Gallardo, they mentioned how much heavier the Gallardo Spyder is to the M6.

 

theres no way in hell that m6 started in 7th...thats an absolutely sham of an excuse. the m6 lost in the OP's video plain and simple. if the m6 had, it would never have a chance against the GT3 RS. either way GT3 & GT3RS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>m6

 

why dont we post up the videos of luis's 996 GT3 (with only bolt ons) pulling on the gallardo.

and if you wanna start saying any porsche, we can call up eddie bello to bring the 911 that set the texas mile record, or maybe get divex's 996TT monster, or vralexanders 2500 lbs 1000 hp 996TT.

 

then lambo can get heffner/ugr cars?