Hi

To stay in the same trend as my previous topic. A new question

Who upgraded from a 997 C2S to a 997 GT3? How big is the difference on the street? Do you regret it? Would you suggest skipping the C2S and going directly for the GT3?

 

trust me when i tell you

to the average and slightly above average driver, the c2s and gt3 will feel EXACTLY the same

from steering response, to performance (up to about 100mph), to brakng, and grip (given good tires)


with the price of the c2s, youre better off buying that, and putting a LSD in it and calling it a day


a gt3 LOOKS so much better than a c2s though

and once youre at the limit of both cars, the gt3 is FAR superior to the c2s

 

I have only test driven a used 997 gt3, although it was a lengthy thorough test drive. I have owned two 997Ss and a 997tt.

I felt that the gt3 was awe inspiring when going fast, however, lacked some of the mid-range of the 997.1 C2S. The difference (low and mid-range power) between the gt3 and 997.2 C2S is much more evident; obviously favoring the C2S. When you add SPASM w/axle diff. lock, sport exhaust, short shifter, wheel spacers and all of Porsche's advances to the 997.2 C2S the gt3 advantage wanes a bit. I am talking street attributes here. One thing that I clearly did not like was when on the highway and wanting to pass another vehicle, the gt3 felt a bit short on power. That is only because one can not really run at 6000 rpms on the highway.

I am not knocking the gt3 at all. It is a remarkable car. The wail of the engine, intake and exhaust is beautiful music to my ears. The car feels more connected to the road, which it is, and looks so sexy.

It depends on what you want and when you want to drive it. You might miss some of the interior refinements and insulation of the 997, especially the 997.2. Although, you might just want a race car (albiet a non-abrasive one.) every day. There is no wrong choice, each has it's own pros and cons, imo.

I would pick a 997.1 gt3 over a 997.1 C2S. The choice between a 997.2 C2S and 997.1 gt3 is much more difficult. The new gt3 would be my only choice, however.

 

I disagree. Had C2S for a year. Traded to a GT3. Feel pretty different. GT3 is much firmer. Steering is much more like what C2S should be like. Shifter is shorter, and clutch is much heavier. Car drives flat, without any of the roll that C2S has.

Engine feels pretty different as well. By the time you hit 6000 RPM on GT3, it feels like car is gonna come out from under you, and just pulls hard right to the red-line. C2S never did that.

Any passenger and any driver can feel the difference.

Haven't regretted it at all. But certainly there are people who couldn't handle the suspension and got rid of it. Only you can tell what you like. The GT3 is exactly what I wanted and needed.

 

I have in my opinion a well modified C2S, and I really wanted (and still do) a GT3, but due to a few reasons (not the cost of the car) I bought a second C2S. I can keep up with GT3's to a certain point, but with some longer stretches, I am being left behind. The GT3 is a car that is used as a bench mark for most. A C2S is a very capable car and I am faster then a lot of cars that I didn't think I would be, but it will never be a GT3.

 

For the street? Get a nicely optioned C2S with Sport PASM and call it a day. If you do plan on going to Spa or the like then the choice is easy, get the GT3, even a 996 GT3

 

I have both in the garage, a 2005 C2s and a 2007 GT3. The C2S has 11,500 miles on it; the GT3 has just a couple hundred under 30K. I think that says it all!! But I have no stop lights ot traffic where I live. I do have a very large tire budget however.

 

I haven't driven a GT3 yet, only ridden in one. I have driven a C2S extensively.

The GT3 engine wail is key to the appeal of that car. And Curb appeal too, is huge with the GT3. If those 2 things are not absolutely key to you, then a C2S will be a better car overall - much better for daily use and able to do the 10/10ths stuff great.

I think the price difference is worth it.

911c2s => really great car
911GT3 => a god

 

It is kind of like wine. If a person does not appreciate the difference between a $30 a bottle wine and a $80 a bottle wine, the $80 bottle of wine is a total waste of money.

 

The choice would/could be between 997.2 C2S and 997.2 GT3
From what i've read the engine should have more mid-range torque, the suspension is a bit less agressive in "normal" mode, there is nose-lift for all those nasty parking lots, and it should have the engine performance to nearly match a 997 Turbo (although I guess you need to be really precise with the gear-choice when encountering one on the street. The Turbo will have more low-down torque, and 4WD traction).

Current order is C2S -20mmPASM,LSD,shortshifter.
But boy, having a flat six scream up to 8500rpm, that must be friggin amazing

 

My previous car was a 2006 Nissan 350Z.
How many $$ bottle is that?

 

think about it...the engine howl is what stays with you when you go to bed at night!
well worth the money.

 

That would be a $20 bottle of wine. But you know, some $20 wines are very good. When my wife finds those, she buys cases of them.

 

Well then, like I mentioned in my previous post, 997.2 GT3 would be my only pick. A few things to consider, can you get one, can you get one for MSRP and are you okay spending the extra $20-$23k on the new GT3? Assuming you can get one for MSRP.

As far as the turbo goes, even the 997.2 GT3 will not be able to match even the 997.1 tt's in-gear acceleration, let alone what I imagine the 997.2 tt to have. I don't care what PAG says for their elasticity or whatever numbers (317 lb.ft of torque and a few hundred less pounds will not be enough). With that said, I'd still go gt.

Even if you stay with your current order, life is good. Just add Sport Adaptives and PSE or an aftermarket one if you stay that route.

I am in a similar sitiuation, however, I do not want to spec a 997.2 and then get the gt3 call this fall or even next spring. I am #2 in line at my dealer. I'd rather avoid a nasty trade in. I had deal struck on a used gt3 which went sour.

 

I didnt give the complete option list here, was just sticking to the drive-related ones
sport adaptives are in the order as well.