anybody have direct experience with the toyo r888 as a "dd" tire. i will occasionally track and autocross, but primarily drive on weekends and do not drive in the rain but love to canyon carve on mountain roads (no snow) and am interested in longevity, performance etc. and cost. i currently have the prosche spec mpsc's and am not that impressed, especially at the cost. i have almost 5k on my 10gt3 and am getting close to replacement.

any help will be much appreciated. as well as any alternative tire suggestions.

thanks

alan

 

Cheap versus Pilot Cups but very (like very) noisy on the street.

 

Tried Toyo R888s, MPSC, and Bridgestone RE-11 for double duty DD and track.

Best all around tire was the Bridgestone RE-11, $700-800 cheaper than the MPSC, same performance on track, and the best wet performance of the above mentioned.

The R888s are horribly noisy, would not recommend them for DD.

After the RE-11s not trying any other tires, they are perfect for double duty street+track+wet, and easy on the wallet.

 

nt-01s ???

 

I just did my first track weekend with the R888. Great traction, but already too noisy for street use, and I'm sure it will get noisier with wear. I have them on dedicated track wheels, and I think they will work very well for that purpose. Have not tried the RE-11, but based on what I have been told, it may be a better option for you.

 

I looked at the nittos when I was shopping for the Bridgestones. They didn't have the sizing I needed in a track tire and also availability is limited.

Tirerack carries the RE-11s and there's no one easier to deal with than them.

 

Are the RE-11's R Comps, or are they a direct competitor to the PS2?

 

Both Gomez and Mobonic (forum names) use them on their DD's and have tracked them as well. They had nothing but good things to say about the tire but shoot them a PM.

Jason

 

I believe they are just a competitor with the ps2's. I had them on my RS4 and loved them! Tread design is pretty neat, and they fact they are around a hundred bucks cheaper then ps2's is also awesome. They are a bit loud and if your streets are as bad as some here they will follow the cracks and stuff, those are my only complaints. I never got to test them on the track though.

 

These are not a competitor to the PS2s.

I've used the PS2s, MPSCups, R888s, Nitto Invos, and RE-11s on the track.

The PS2 and the Nitto Invos are high performance street tires and their sidewall isn't strong enough to handle the lateral forces on the track when you are in the white/black run groups.

The outer edge will get completely worn out regardless of what camber you run. I was running -2 up front and -2.6 in the rear and was still wearing out the outside edges on the Invos and PS2s.

Running the RE-11s on the same camber there was no more outside wear and I was able to get the full life out of them. I actually decreased the negative camber a bit so that the insides would not get worn out prematurely.

The RE-11s are a track tire with tread so that you can drive them safely enough in the rain. They are not competitors to the PS2. The PS2 is NOT a suitable track tire at all, it is wasted money once you are driving fast.

 

If you are not impressed with MPSC's then you will be unhappy with just about anything, I would go to say they are the closest road tire to running a slick (horrendous and dangerous in the wet)... I have run 888's for years, great all rounder but very noisey road use... I think you need a spare set of wheels/tires... set for road & set for track.

 

I've also used the PS2's, R888, MPSC, and RE-11's on the track and on the road.

All but the PS2's are good on the track, but all have there particular pro's and cons. To directly answer 10GT3's answer, yes, I have used and currently use Toyo R888's on my GT3 which is used in a similar fashion as your 10GT3.

If I'm reading your original post correctly, it seems like some of your dissatisfaction with the MPSC was short tread wear life. In that case, you will like the Toyo R888's because they won't wear out as fast on the track or on the street. Many will say that the R888's have road noise, but really, which person that drives a GT3 worries about noise???

Nine out of ten times I drive my GT3 with no stereo on just to hear all the wonderous sounds of the car, the engine, and yes, even the tires.


Dan

 

I wouldn't run the R888 as a street tire. I had them and they are too loud and very dirty.

Look at the OEM Pirelli if money is not a factor.

 

I put Michelin PS2s (N1 spec) on my GT3 essentially because you get almost twice the tire tread versus the Sport Cups. It was also an approved tire for the car. My primary driving will be on the street with one or two DEs a year. I don't understand the PS2 being a bad track tire. The Chrysler SRT experience used PS2s on all their cars, I believe the AUDI Experience uses PS2s on their cars. Are there better tires out there especially for the track sure. However, the question was for the street and I don't think the PS2s would be a bad choice.

 

The best all round for me are the Pirelli Corsa semi slicks for track and road use. But if you are strictly canyon carving I dont think you would be going near the limits of the MPSCs... so would probably think that the Pirelli's would be great for you (though they are a bit on the expensive side)- almost as good as MPSCs in the dry and far better in the wet- although you did mention you wont be running in the wet.