Dynamic Engine Mounts Worth It? PCCB's Worth it?
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Dynamic Engine Mounts Worth It? PCCB's Worth it?
So my question today is a Dealer found me 2 GT3's perfectly optioned, (lets take price out of the picture) One has Dynamic Engine Mounts the other doesn't, One has PCCBs, and the other does not.
So I have to choose bet the two... Get the PCCB equipped car, or dynamic engine mounted car...
-Do the Dynamic Engine Mounts give a noticeable difference in performance on Street and Track? How can it benefit the owners of a DEM Car
-For the PCCB's are they thatt!? worth-it compared to Stock... (it being lighter, last longer, better stopping power)
What Opinions do you guys have?
So I have to choose bet the two... Get the PCCB equipped car, or dynamic engine mounted car...
-Do the Dynamic Engine Mounts give a noticeable difference in performance on Street and Track? How can it benefit the owners of a DEM Car
-For the PCCB's are they thatt!? worth-it compared to Stock... (it being lighter, last longer, better stopping power)
What Opinions do you guys have?
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Cost aside
If you are going to track the car over 60% get the non PCCB car...I think there are better braking options for a track car and the benefits of DEM would be a better option.
Cost no problem - get both PCCBs and DEM - I use my Gen 1 997 PCCB car mainly for street and could not be happier with PCCBs. DEM is another option I would want even for my street car
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If you are going to track the car over 60% get the non PCCB car...I think there are better braking options for a track car and the benefits of DEM would be a better option.
Cost no problem - get both PCCBs and DEM - I use my Gen 1 997 PCCB car mainly for street and could not be happier with PCCBs. DEM is another option I would want even for my street car
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The engine mounts are invisible to the driver. Unless you drive one car with and one car without (back to back), you wouldnt know they are there.
In my opinion, the PCCB's are a HUGE waste of $9,000. The steel brakes are SO GOOD!! I am extremely hard on my car at the track the the steel brakes dont even flinch.... not even at the end of the day. The fact is that the PCCB's arent that much better (if at all). If you track often, it has been well documented that the PCCB's are not the right choice. The biggest plus, in my opinion, is that the PCCB's have no brake dust!
In my opinion, the PCCB's are a HUGE waste of $9,000. The steel brakes are SO GOOD!! I am extremely hard on my car at the track the the steel brakes dont even flinch.... not even at the end of the day. The fact is that the PCCB's arent that much better (if at all). If you track often, it has been well documented that the PCCB's are not the right choice. The biggest plus, in my opinion, is that the PCCB's have no brake dust!
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The PCCB's dont offer better stopping power, and crisper bight?... as well as that they need to be replaced...like close to never...Steel brakes work less efficient as they heat up and ceramic work more efficiently the hotter they are...
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There is no doubt that reducing the unsprung, rotational mass with the PCCBs is great, but there are not worth the 9K imo.
Yeah, you may not feel the diff between a non-DEM car vs. a DEM equipped one but from a technical standpoint there is no reason not to believe that the DEMs will work better when driving hard, whether on the track or not. Porsche has even gone on record stating that there is less vibration in the 3-4k rev range, amongst the other benefits of DEMs.
Under normal driving conditions you'll have similar mounts to a pre .2 car, however, when pushed you'll get the benefits of a -close to- solid mount car. Residuals will be better with DEM equipped cars as well. Reportedly, Suncoast can retro fit the mounts for about the twice the original cost.
I'd choose the DEM car whether a retro fit is possible or not. PCCBs may return 15-25% of their original cost. For the record my Dec 7.2 delivery has DEMs sans PCCBs and I ordered the options on my car.
Yeah, you may not feel the diff between a non-DEM car vs. a DEM equipped one but from a technical standpoint there is no reason not to believe that the DEMs will work better when driving hard, whether on the track or not. Porsche has even gone on record stating that there is less vibration in the 3-4k rev range, amongst the other benefits of DEMs.
Under normal driving conditions you'll have similar mounts to a pre .2 car, however, when pushed you'll get the benefits of a -close to- solid mount car. Residuals will be better with DEM equipped cars as well. Reportedly, Suncoast can retro fit the mounts for about the twice the original cost.
I'd choose the DEM car whether a retro fit is possible or not. PCCBs may return 15-25% of their original cost. For the record my Dec 7.2 delivery has DEMs sans PCCBs and I ordered the options on my car.
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Do you think the unsprung, rotational mass on the pccbs give a noticeable difference compared to stock?
There is no doubt that reducing the unsprung, rotational mass with the PCCBs is great, but there are not worth the 9K imo.
Yeah, you may not feel the diff between a non-DEM car vs. a DEM equipped one but from a technical standpoint there is no reason not to believe that the DEMs will work better when driving hard, whether on the track or not. Porsche has even gone on record stating that there is less vibration in the 3-4k rev range, amongst the other benefits of DEMs.
Under normal driving conditions you'll have similar mounts to a pre .2 car, however, when pushed you'll get the benefits of a -close to- solid mount car. Residuals will be better with DEM equipped cars as well. Reportedly, Suncoast can retro fit the mounts for about the twice the original cost.
I'd choose the DEM car whether a retro fit is possible or not. PCCBs may return 15-25% of their original cost. For the record my Dec 7.2 delivery has DEMs sans PCCBs and I ordered the options on my car.
Yeah, you may not feel the diff between a non-DEM car vs. a DEM equipped one but from a technical standpoint there is no reason not to believe that the DEMs will work better when driving hard, whether on the track or not. Porsche has even gone on record stating that there is less vibration in the 3-4k rev range, amongst the other benefits of DEMs.
Under normal driving conditions you'll have similar mounts to a pre .2 car, however, when pushed you'll get the benefits of a -close to- solid mount car. Residuals will be better with DEM equipped cars as well. Reportedly, Suncoast can retro fit the mounts for about the twice the original cost.
I'd choose the DEM car whether a retro fit is possible or not. PCCBs may return 15-25% of their original cost. For the record my Dec 7.2 delivery has DEMs sans PCCBs and I ordered the options on my car.
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the simple porsche id registration is straight forward to get setup...however when you try to add your car to the porsche ID it asks for DL scans and proof of vehcile ownership scanned in....havent seen that before where the company asks for scans of this before you can add your vehicle. What kind of benefits does this give when you add your vehicle to the porche id registration?
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If you damage a ceramic rotor or set you will cry from the replacement cost, its a LOT more than $9000 and there’s no easy way to get ANY other ceramic to work if you were to replace them. If I never went to the track I’d get the PCCBs tho, amazing option just not worth the pain if you street and track.
FWIW, just bought a 2016 GT3RS and the PCCBs are going in a storage box and being replaced with steel rotors. The steel is really cheap and really good and its rare when those two features come together.
FWIW, just bought a 2016 GT3RS and the PCCBs are going in a storage box and being replaced with steel rotors. The steel is really cheap and really good and its rare when those two features come together.
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I would choose PCCBs over steel, but I do not track my cars. My 991.1 Turbo had steel brakes. My .2 GT3 has PCCBs. I know the GT3 is lighter, but the difference to me is impressive. Also - if you hate brake dust as much as I do, you should be willing to spend some more How much more is up to you. But $9k is not pocket change.
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If you damage a ceramic rotor or set you will cry from
the replacement cost, its a LOT more than $9000
and there’s no easy way to get ANY other ceramic to work if you were to replace them. If I never went to the track I’d get the PCCBs tho, amazing option just not worth the pain if you street and track.
FWIW, just bought a 2016 GT3RS and the PCCBs are going in a storage box and being replaced with steel rotors. The steel is really cheap and really good and its rare when those two features come together.
the replacement cost, its a LOT more than $9000
and there’s no easy way to get ANY other ceramic to work if you were to replace them. If I never went to the track I’d get the PCCBs tho, amazing option just not worth the pain if you street and track.
FWIW, just bought a 2016 GT3RS and the PCCBs are going in a storage box and being replaced with steel rotors. The steel is really cheap and really good and its rare when those two features come together.
If you only need one rotor, perhaps sell off the remaining and cover your costs .... but don't pay Dealer Parts Counter prices.
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