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PCCB Heel and Toe Issue

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Old Apr 22, 2006 | 02:22 AM
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PCCB Heel and Toe Issue

I find my PCCB equipped GT3 had poor padel placements for heel and toe. The brake pedal is too high (not too wide apart, just too high) in relation to the gas pedal, but found an 997 Carrera w/ much better pedal placements. I wonder if the PCCB's w/ very firm feel made the depressed height higher than non-PCCB cars. Or is it just my car???
 
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Bump. Someone help this guy!
 
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don't know what to tell you...I have PCCB's and the pedal is firm but have no problem heel'n'toe'n...have had Gert's aftermarket pedals installed almost since new though but didn't notice a problem before I put them on either...would suggest an after market pedal on the accelerator to build it up a little...that might help...is your brake pedal when not depressed in line with the clutch pedal or closer to the driver...could be you or your dealer can adjust the brake pedal static position to better suit your driving style...good luck...
 
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Thanks for the reply Chuck! Yeah, thought no one loved me any more.
I have an aftermarket pedal to build up the height already but it's still not high enough. Good advise on seeing if anyone can adjust the ststic height of the brake padel.
 
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Bli8. I had some what of the same problem and Actualy the problem was solved after 2 things I did.

Pagid RS-19 yellow all the way arround and dot 5 Blue Fluid.
Before these I was running factory set up and the feel of the pedal was not right. Try it no to mention that the PCCB brake way better with these pads after they are warm.
 
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No issue with the brake pedal on my PCCB car.

Nmex, I would not recommend ATE Super Blue or any other blue brake fluid. The fluid will stain the brake lines and reservoir.
 
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I know to late for that I think. Hope not next weekend I have DE and after that I am boing to Clear. I know is going to take time to clear but Dealer screw up. leave and learn
 
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I asked the same question to the Tech Section of PCA and got the following answer:

I checked with some friends who have PCCB cars that they converted to steel rotors, and in a few cases eventually converted back to PCCB, to get a sense for whether there is a difference. They are unanimous that there is no difference at the pedal height, but the pedal height is simply wrong for heel & toe driving. They say to add some height to the gas pedal. The favorite is from "Wings Engineering".

However, see previous Q&A about the risks of running PCCB rotors on the track. Pedal position is not the big issue, nor is it why we convert to steel rotors. The newer the PCCB rotors from Porsche, the more likely they will be OK. But the earlier ones came apart and had to be replaced. PCNA has not been very good about honoring the warranty on the early ones that didn't work. I have one friend who was only able to get one of the two bad fronts replaced under warranty. His one good disc sits on a shelf.

Unfortunately PCCB was originally represented as being good for 100,000 miles, yet were actually good for only a few hundred minutes on the track, then they would start coming apart. The later ones got better and better. I don't know where the cutoff is, but the way you can tell is when you go back to the dealer and get a bill for $11,000 for two new front brake discs, plus labor. These have come way down in price; in 2004 they were $8597.60 per disc, now they are "only" $5420.69 each. But that is still a lot to prematurely replace a product of such high claims.

We understand that some SuperCup teams can now run most or all of a season on the newest PCCB discs, but that is still an expensive item to replace. This is why most of the club members I know still prefer to run the steel Cup rotors while this product evolves. The only exceptions are a few that took their cars "off the track" and put PCCB back on for street use only. That seems like a reasonable approach for the earlier ones.

Joel Reiser - PCA WebSite - 4/22/2006
 
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