GT3/GT2 Performance and Track Discussion on the Porsche GT3 and GT2

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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by amerlemans

You are going to compare what Lexus and Nissan have to offer to a Porsche? Dude, there is more to a car than its engine performance. I have two buddies that have G35's that love them. They have both driven my car and both came away saying "There is absolutely NO COMPARISON in the handling of these two cars".

As far as my future 997 EVO SC not being able to keep up with a Z06 on the track....you may be right you may not. One thing I know is that it will most likely come down to driver ability amongst non professional drivers. On top of that, I do about three track days a year so I could really give a rat's *** if it is or if it isn't. I know I will have a car that is damn fast with top notch build quality. Picture it, black 997 w/EVO SC, GT3 wheels, Techart III rear wing and GT3 front end.
The Cayman S motor is performance. 295 hp gets you a car that will run low 13s at a trap of 105-107 mph for those who want to know 1/4 mile, but most importantly it has a flat tq line and rev smoothe. it does have a lot of performance to offer. do you think that a lotus elise has no performance to offer because it only has 198 hp? hell no. that thing moves and handles well also.

Scott, im seeing the EVO SC'd 997(which for 05997S FYI runs mid to high 11's at about 125 mph, so it is very fast for only 480 hp and weighing 3350 lbs.) and I LIKE IT!
 
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
The Cayman S motor is performance. 295 hp gets you a car that will run low 13s at a trap of 105-107 mph for those who want to know 1/4 mile, but most importantly it has a flat tq line and rev smoothe. it does have a lot of performance to offer. do you think that a lotus elise has no performance to offer because it only has 198 hp? hell no. that thing moves and handles well also.

Scott, im seeing the EVO SC'd 997(which for 05997S FYI runs mid to high 11's at about 125 mph, so it is very fast for only 480 hp and weighing 3350 lbs.) and I LIKE IT!
Thanks Greg for the backup on the times/speeds, etc. You are correct on everything except the weight of the CaymanS. Its weight is 2,954 lbs.
 
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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Thanks Greg for the backup on the times/speeds, etc. You are correct on everything except the weight of the CaymanS. Its weight is 2,954 lbs.
My bad.....
 
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 11:07 AM
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one more thing, the 997S evo SC is even faster than a base 997 and both were run on street tires, and im not sure about this, but i think 19s. so slap 17s or 18s and they will run even faster.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
one more thing, the 997S evo SC is even faster than a base 997 and both were run on street tires, and im not sure about this, but i think 19s. so slap 17s or 18s and they will run even faster.
Why would you want to messs up the speedo/odo?
 
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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I love the GT3, but the reality is its 120K OTD with a modest level of equipment. Can I afford one? Yes technically, but it would be choosing the car over some other discretionary expenses and not sure if I would make any sacrifices to have it. But, if I had a little more money, it would probably be higher on my list because I know Porsches are fun to drive, they are well built, they are prestigious and are relatively few and far between in my area at least. I am sure I would be thrilled with even a 996GT3. And in all honesty, being 1-2 seconds faster around a lap probably won't matter to me either.

With that said, I can get an equally scary fast (maybe faster) car that is easy to drive and live with for 35K less, with a better warranty and arguably as much fun as I would have in a GT3. I had a C5 and had a great time with it. There really are true enthusiasts who own Vettes. The difference is really in the intangibles. The respect for the marque, the prestige and the satisfaction, the exclusivity of having such a low production car. They are IMO works of art. I really don't feel quite that strongly about the Vette, but I have to be honest. I want to drive it around and get it dirty. I want to use the car not be beholden to it. I am not sure I would do that in a GT3, in the Vette I have no such reservations its no holds barred.

You will never convince me that the ZO6 is anything short of spectacular. It has earned its position of greatness among its peers the same way Porsche has, on the track. As a street car it doesn't need to make any excuses. The car speaks for itself.

Will I buy another one???? I don't know. Would I love to have a late model Porsche? Of course. What I'm happy about today is that I have the means to contemplate the choice and that makes me smile.
 
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Try asking the Corvette forum, I wonder which one they will pick!
 
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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there are a lot of amazing cars out there... but each in their own category... the issue of puting the Z06 and the GT3 in the same group is just not right... I like the Z06, just as I love the Mustang GT500! just as I like the RS4 Audi, the M3CS, the Alfa GT, the M5, the Cadillac V-Series, etc... but I'd keep oranges with oranges, and apples with apples... the Z06 fails in many areas where the GT3 succeeds... it is just a muscle car... instead, I'd rather go get one of those cars you see on the discovery channel done by Chip Fose, Rides, etc... they got what's best from the sixties, combined with the latest in performance... sorry, but the vette's interior just depresses the hell out of me...
 
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Originally Posted by SCvet00
Please get off the crack pipe. The C6 Z06 is about a full second faster to 100 than the GT3, making its way there in 7.6 secs.
No, I think you're on the crack pipe. I guess you looked at one magazine that quoted this one very optimistic time and now use it as the standard. There is a guy over at the Corvette forum that ran 0 - 100 on a slightly modified 6Z06 (exhaust and intake) on a Passport GT2 (I believe) and ran a 7.97. Here is the thread with his times.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1535830

Although, motion based timers aren't very reliable. Please don't quote B.S. times like that, that time is close to magazine times for a CGT. Get back to the real world, leave the magazines out of it. Talk to a guy over at the Corvette Forum that owns one (weapons grade torque) is his forum name. See what he tells you about their street traction ability and 0 to whatever times.

To date, I have yet to see any real world data on a reliable GPS for the new vette, although I think Allanlambo is going to be testing several cars on KPG's Racelogic, including the new Z06. Ranger who is known throughout the Corvette forum, has run some spectacular quarter mile times on drag radials, but he is the exception because of his incredible driving ability. We shall see what type of 0 - 60, 100, and 60 - 130 times it runs if Allanlambo can do it. Until then, magazine times are just that, magazine times.
 

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Originally Posted by Marwan
there are a lot of amazing cars out there... but each in their own category... the issue of puting the Z06 and the GT3 in the same group is just not right... I like the Z06, just as I love the Mustang GT500! just as I like the RS4 Audi, the M3CS, the Alfa GT, the M5, the Cadillac V-Series, etc... but I'd keep oranges with oranges, and apples with apples... the Z06 fails in many areas where the GT3 succeeds... it is just a muscle car... instead, I'd rather go get one of those cars you see on the discovery channel done by Chip Fose, Rides, etc... they got what's best from the sixties, combined with the latest in performance... sorry, but the vette's interior just depresses the hell out of me...

So, I guess all of us should accept your review as authorative? Just like the split windows big block Vette that Chevy seems to have made just for your in 1964? It's one thing to argue pesonal prefenaces, yet another, to make up facts in a desperate attempt to look intelligent.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
if you want a car that is fast buy a 997TT, if you want a car that handles like nothing else in the world, buy a 996 or 997 GT3 or GT3RS. period. wait until judgement day when Porsche releases the 997 GT2. that car will def prove to be a purist car faster than ANYTHING out except for the veyron.
If PNA keeps it up, the GT2 will be as pure as a wet sump 911.

Say hello to that big nice mandatory hole on the roof. Oh, and if you are over 6'2" with 32" inseam, forget about clearing your helmet in GT3 seats.

Pure you say?
 
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Originally Posted by stuka
If PNA keeps it up, the GT2 will be as pure as a wet sump 911.

Say hello to that big nice mandatory hole on the roof. Oh, and if you are over 6'2" with 32" inseam, forget about clearing your helmet in GT3 seats.

Pure you say?
So true and I agree, although its a bit early to tell for the GT2, with the 997 GT3 coming out it looks like to make up for the 996 GT car pureness they are upping power and technology to make it outperform the predecessor and to make up for the lack of feel, who knows!
 
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Ranger who is known throughout the Corvette forum, has run some spectacular quarter mile times on drag radials, but he is the exception because of his incredible driving ability.
Isn't it just those times we should look at to see what the car is capable of? (but without the drag radials) The times when there is a pro driver behind the wheel that can get 100% out of the car.
 
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Originally Posted by Zlaatan
Isn't it just those times we should look at to see what the car is capable of? (but without the drag radials) The times when there is a pro driver behind the wheel that can get 100% out of the car.
Ranger has run 50-60 passes in his car. He is not a professional just a well disciplined amateur with a lot of passes. Although I like that the car is quick, I would never consider any car on this alone even as impressive as the ZO6 is in the 1/4.
 


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