9Eleven, didn't mean any disrespect. Sometimes I forget that not all Porsche owners are in denial and oblivious to the performance of the Z06, and I get carried away. Sorry.

In the Z06, from 60-130, I MUST shift 2x. Once at 90 into 3rd, and once at 125 into 4th.

From 50-120, I only shift once. Once at 90 into third.

 

No need for an apology, you are enthusiastic about your car, that's cool, so am I. Makes me think of that Queen song, "I'm in love with my car." No, you don't have to shift twice. Start off in 1st, skip second and shift into third before you hit 60 and then nail it, then you only have to shift once at 125. I know it sounds strange, but it will save you at least 2 to 3 tenths of a second.

 

In the Z06, you WILL NOT save any time, but lose considerable time not using second gear, regardless of how slow you shift. A run from 60 starting in 3rd versus 2nd will cost you at least 2 seconds. The gear range is far different than the Porsche which obtains higher power in 3rd than does the Vette at 60 mph. It would be the equvalent of you putting your car in 4th at 60.

 

I would try both, we will post the better time, 2 shifts or 3.

 

0 - 100 in under 8 seconds is a piece of cake on the street in the Z06.

 

Really? How many times have you done it on a GPS? Do you have any graphs?

 

Just guessing here.....probably 50+ times on the street. Getting sub 8 seconds is not at all a problem. I have to assume you have never driven one of these cars? If you had, you would see the tremendous benefit from the gears GM put in the car to drive the monster small block engine. Drop the rear tire pressure to half and you're just a tad above 7.5 seconds.

Just a suggestion......don't take this car lightly. It can and has bit alot of modded cars in the *** in all driving conditions.

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Maybe some of the car magazines have graphs for you, since most of theml got an 8 second or less result too.

 

you do realize that most mags are getting 7.8 0-100 for the 997TT and when they were tested same day same conditions, the 997TT was faster to 100. again, thats magazine talk. lets wait until the results come in and see. plus, 9eleven didnt drop his tire pressure on the street to try to achieve faster times. the tires stay at full pressure. full tire pressure, 2 or 3 shifts and well see, until then, no one can really say much about it.

 

What do you mean no one can say anything about it? I have done it 50+ times on street tires and normal pressures. No guessing here. FYI: the 60 - 130 is 8 seconds +/- with 3 shifts in 70F temps at 700 feet. And, 2 pulls against 997TT shows that the TT is not as fast as the Z06. No magazine speculation here either.

 

The Z06 and the TT are close to 100 (Even though the best time for the Z06 is about .2 quicker than the best time for the TT to 100). But, what you have to understand, and really, I am not making this up, is that past 100, the Z06 will pull a 997 TT.

I wish there was another 997 TT in my area to race and get on video to prove this to you, becaue I know you will go back and start refering to the one and only test of the TT beating the Z06 up to 186 mph, which would not happen in the real world.

 

Exactly, this is why I keep on saying that a 60-130 is NOT optimal in the Z06 becasue one must shft TWICE. A 50-120 is the same mph interval (70) but with only one shift.

 

Gentlemen, the offer to use the Racelogic still stands. Trust me, 0 to 100 in under 8 seconds on street tires on the street is not easy. Remember the Racelogic does not give you a 1 foot roll out and your 0 - 60 ft time will be 2.2 seconds or higher versus 1.8 at the track. It has nothing to do with the 997tt or the Z06 and which is faster. The real world is a lttle more difficult.

As I posted earlier, a slightly modified 6Z06 ran a 7.97. So lets not get ahead of ourselves. I guess I'm a show me the money type guy. Everything else is just speculation and cunjecture. Until then, we really don't have a concrete figure unless you're bench racing.

 

Do you have any graphs? They look like this. BTW, this was slightly uphill.

 

Here is the way to compare. Line the cars you want up on the dry street, track, another planet, or any other place you desire and run them from a dead stop to the maximum speed of the Porsche. No smoke or mirrors, no excuses that you have to shift 6 times or 2 times or that your weather conditions were better or worse, uphill,/downhill, my foot slipped, head wind, or any other lame excuse that can be thought of.

Porsche owners who have not experienced the Vette have absolutely no idea the range this thing has in each gear. The gearing alone requires a Porsche with a stock tranny to have a minimum of an additional 100 hp just to make it fairly close. The Vette will be ahead of you at 60 mph when it just starts to shift into 2nd gear.

I can't predict what car would win in a keyboard race, but in the real world, I will put money on it that there is no stock flat 6 Porsche that can beat the Vette.

If you would like a graph, I can create a graph showing any information you want. Would that be acceptable?

The fact is, which car is faster can only be proven in the flesh, (well, metal to fiberglass in this case) side by side with 2 equal drivers.

 

Agreed. And not because I am a Z06 owner, but because that is really how to tell what car is quicker. Get the two cars out, race them a few times, and see the outcome. This is exactly what I have done and the 997 TT will never beat a Z06, stock vs. stock, with equal drivers, from a roll. It will be close from 0-100 just because traction is a bit*h in the Z06, but past that, the Z06 will run away.

I don't understand why it is so hard to undertand this. A Protomotive 997 TT could barely barely match the trap speeds of a bone stock C6 Z06. It trapped at 124.9, which is, on average what bone stock Z06s trap at. My buddy, who has NEVER drag raced my car, was able to trap at 125.6 mph in it (I have the timeslip and can post it if you would like, although I would have to get it from him since he has it and is loving it in his wallet, LOL). I trapped at an almost 125 mph (look at previous post w/ timeslipe) MY FIRST TRY EVER in 80* heat and 650' above sea level conditions.

I understand you guys (PorscheC4) are passionate about Porsches, as I am about Corvettes or any awesome car for that matter, but for the love of god, don't let passion get in the way with real world facts. A 997 TT is the slower car than the Z06, and that is a fact. Does that make the Z06 the better car? No, I never said that and never will. But when it comes to strictly speed, the fact is that the Z06 is the faster car, period. Ask ANYONE that has had both and are not biased, like "Treynor", and they will tell you the same.