GT3/GT2 Performance and Track Discussion on the Porsche GT3 and GT2

997 GT2 7.37 on NBR

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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 08:19 AM
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Umm, pardon me but aren't we getting ahead of ourselves? I'm sure the 997 GT2 is going to be an excellent car, but 7:32 on the 'Ring? I struggle to think of how it can match, let alone eclipse, the times set by cars like the CGT, Zonda F, and Koenigsegg CCR.


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The Gt2 is still the KING!
 
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Originally Posted by Henjie
Umm, pardon me but aren't we getting ahead of ourselves? I'm sure the 997 GT2 is going to be an excellent car, but 7:32 on the 'Ring? I struggle to think of how it can match, let alone eclipse, the times set by cars like the CGT, Zonda F, and Koenigsegg CCR.


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we will see, 7:32 is what Porsche states in the internal brochure
 
Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Henjie
Umm, pardon me but aren't we getting ahead of ourselves? I'm sure the 997 GT2 is going to be an excellent car, but 7:32 on the 'Ring? I struggle to think of how it can match, let alone eclipse, the times set by cars like the CGT, Zonda F, and Koenigsegg CCR.


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When the 996 GT2 was tested it also had one of the fastest Ring times for it's day at 7:46. Walter Rohrl stated that with better tires the 996 GT2 (they were fitted with Michelin Pilot Sports) time would have been considerably better. The 997 Turbo can lap the ring in 7:40 on regular street tires and AWD. The 997 GT2 has less weight, more power, better suspension and aerodynamics, RWD and Michelin Sport Cup tires. The 7:32 time is not unrealistic at all given the variables above. Rohrl's best time in the CGT is 7:29 (the car is fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport 2s) and he has stated that with a better tire the car would be significantly faster.
 
Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh
When the 996 GT2 was tested it also had one of the fastest Ring times for it's day at 7:46. Walter Rohrl stated that with better tires the 996 GT2 (they were fitted with Michelin Pilot Sports) time would have been considerably better. The 997 Turbo can lap the ring in 7:40 on regular street tires and AWD. The 997 GT2 has less weight, more power, better suspension and aerodynamics, RWD and Michelin Sport Cup tires. The 7:32 time is not unrealistic at all given the variables above. Rohrl's best time in the CGT is 7:29 (the car is fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport 2s) and he has stated that with a better tire the car would be significantly faster.
Yea I think stock vs. stock with Cup tires on both cars you would see a bigger difference. However, what is going to happen when we start modding the 997 GT2
 
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spoke to a principal I trust, and he says most dealerships will get 1, maybe two cars, with most just getting a factory spec'd launch car....he reiterated that Porsche have learned some lessons from the past, and that this car will be limited production (I know, FWIW). To be honest, there maybe some validity to this....everyone thought the GT3 would be produced to oblivion, but 2008 only gets what, 68 RS's and 100 or so regular GT3 ? Numbers are still strong on those cars, and the number I was given for the GT2 was 900 cars worldwide. Maybe full of crap, but signs point to a limited production, and possible value stability.

Get this ...he also said the goal was to see this car appreciate in its first year, and keep its value....flame suit on now.
 
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spoke to a principal I trust, and he says most dealerships will get 1, maybe two cars, with most just getting a factory spec'd launch car....he reiterated that Porsche have learned some lessons from the past, and that this car will be limited production (I know, FWIW). To be honest, there maybe some validity to this....everyone thought the GT3 would be produced to oblivion, but 2008 only gets what, 68 RS's and 100 or so regular GT3 ? Numbers are still strong on those cars, and the number I was given for the GT2 was 900 cars worldwide. Maybe full of crap, but signs point to a limited production, and possible value stability.

Get this ...he also said the goal was to see this car appreciate in its first year, and keep its value....flame suit on now.
Wow Jas now that is some interesting news, thanks for sharing. We still obviously don't know what it will be, but if you say your source is pretty valid then wow is all I can say!

Btw Josh I totally agree, the 996 GT2 produced a 7:42 as its fastest lap time around the Nurburgring and I believe 7:28 not 7:29 for the CGT , both being on street tires from Michelin. These cars are mind blowing and engineered so well, why are people so surprised!
 

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Originally Posted by Josh
There is a lot of debate over that time as the car was modified. Quite of few of the websites that list Ring times have removed it.
There was an independent test done for the C6 Z06 that was low 7:50s and the car was ran stock. This time is probably more accurate than what we saw from Chevy's "special" test car.
What were the mod's? Is there a link to this, first I have heard of it.
 
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Originally Posted by RufMD

Get this ...he also said the goal was to see this car appreciate in its first year, and keep its value....flame suit on now.
Is he giving you dibs on the 1st used one he gets?
 
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Originally Posted by Josh
There is a lot of debate over that time as the car was modified. Quite of few of the websites that list Ring times have removed it.
There was an independent test done for the C6 Z06 that was low 7:50s and the car was ran stock. This time is probably more accurate than what we saw from Chevy's "special" test car.
+1, exactly...the 7:43 z06 was not a bone stock car.
 
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Originally Posted by Josh
When the 996 GT2 was tested it also had one of the fastest Ring times for it's day at 7:46. Walter Rohrl stated that with better tires the 996 GT2 (they were fitted with Michelin Pilot Sports) time would have been considerably better. The 997 Turbo can lap the ring in 7:40 on regular street tires and AWD. The 997 GT2 has less weight, more power, better suspension and aerodynamics, RWD and Michelin Sport Cup tires. The 7:32 time is not unrealistic at all given the variables above. Rohrl's best time in the CGT is 7:29 (the car is fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport 2s) and he has stated that with a better tire the car would be significantly faster.
actually the 996GT2 ran faster than 7:46...it actually ran 7:42...
http://www.motortrend.com/features/c...ck/index1.html

this also shows the modded z06 time.

7:32 for the 997GT2 is just insane! i love it!
 
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
Wow Jas now that is some interesting news, thanks for sharing. We still obviously don't know what it will be, but if you say your source is pretty valid then wow is all I can say!

Btw Josh I totally agree, the 996 GT2 produced a 7:42 as its fastest lap time around the Nurburgring and I believe 7:28 not 7:29 for the CGT , both being on street tires from Michelin. These cars are mind blowing and engineered so well, why are people so surprised!
haha...martin...you always mention the 7:42 on the 996GT2, and then usally procede to ask who posted it and then i come along in my GT2 cape and post it up...i posted it in my prev post. LOL.
 
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What were the mod's? Is there a link to this, first I have heard of it.
if you look at the motortrend article i posted youll see...

"Our man-on-the-spot says GM spent nearly two weeks testing at the Nuerburgring before Magnusson flew in to set a time. Engineers switched suspension settings and changed tires many times before finding the optimum setup."
 
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The 997 Turbo @ 7:40 was on Sport Cups, not PS2's.

This is very fast but I dont doubt it. 4 seconds behind the CGT sounds about right.

I bet it still doesnt beat the Z06 time at VIR with C&D though. HAHAHAHAHH
 
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Originally Posted by RufMD
spoke to a principal I trust, and he says most dealerships will get 1, maybe two cars, with most just getting a factory spec'd launch car....
RufMD, this kind of sounds like...if a person wants a GT2 built to their specs and options they'll have to wait until the 2009 model year or beyond to place their order?

Is this correct?
 


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