Shadow, the second generation GTS Viper that had 1200 ish RWHP that was within 1-2 cars of the 1550 RWHP Gallardo in the final at the last TI has a drag coefficient of a .35. Drag X frontal area is lower for that car than a FGT and Lambo. Only a 911 or and RX 7 has a lower drag X frontal area.

There are videos on youtube of a 2006 Viper coupe on pump doing very well against a stage 2.

 

I'm drinking the koolaid

 

not a Stage 2 RACE version.

You need to do some more reading online to improve your bench racing skills.

 

The Viper was out 1-2 cars on the G at the hit and the G walked by him without any problems. That motor probably makes 1450-1500 but the tranny sucks up a large portion of that power. Bottom line is that the Viper was fast but not near as fast as the G.
Peter

 

+1

I just don't see anything touching this car. There are no, zero, zilch, nada 180mph cars out there that will hook near as well as this car on the street from a roll. Or even from a dig on an unprepped surface.

 

The Viper has a 0.39 Drag coefficient for the GTS (0.45 for the RT/10). I hope you're not using values from Wikipedia and using them as a reference... because their figures are from vipercentral, the only site to mention it being so low, and even they state the GTS frontal area to be 20.5 ft^2. Meaning it would STILL have larger CdA than a Superleggera
There are dozens of cars with a lower CdA

The video you mention is from A LONG TIME AGO. And no, it wasn't even on full race fuel nor with the boost at max.

 

Congrats ugr. 180mph+ trap is incredible. Keep on breaking your own records. Looks like no one else is

 

 

The aero don't mean sheet on the viper. They have terrible down force issues. Meaning you can only apply x amount of power at x speed due to the tire only being able to take so much. The ford gt doesnt have the best c.e but they have about 300 lbs of down force on the rear tires at 130mph and as we all know they do well in the mile. A viper that makes 1700 rwhp will go in the 240s and a fgt will go 257 with the same or a little less power..

Congrats to Ugr and Ray... Pretty badass time..

We all know the Lambos are the fastest, why is there not a time slip on this pass? It's not like it can go 8.30s from a dig on the street. Can't see how the time slip will affect Ti or the mile???

 

Because it will also show in gear acceleration for back half mph pickup and time for that

 

Big congrats to Kevin, KC and the entire crew at Underground!!

Something about those white SL's.

 

How much better traps is this car capable of as is? 187-190?

What kind of power do you think is needed to be a solid 190-200mph car?

 

Go to about 3:20 in the video.

The Viper was on 16 PSi 1200 RWHP max. Whether it was 1 car out on the hit or not, it was closer than I thought it would be:


If the Viper was running more boost it would have been closer. I agree the G was definitely faster, but the Viper was not running that much power because the ignition was breaking up with more boost. That Viper was built about 5 years ago and does not have near the money one of these G's has in the build. Not saying the G isn't one of the if not the best for those who can afford it, but there are other platforms out there that are great too.

A red UR Viper went 7.98 @ 183 MPH in around 2007 the same lane as the G.

Welcome to almost as fast as the Viper platform 5 years ago.

I think it was in Turbo Magazine and was a great marketing vehicle for the guys at UR back then.

Fast forward to today, and check out this video:


Does anybody here seriously think this car would not RAPE any TT G by any tuner including UR or Heffner on the street?

I only bring this up because people here, AverageJoe, are saying the most recent UR 8.3 @ 181 is untouchable on the street and I beg to differ.

Shadow, I am quoting the magazines when the GTS coupe came out and they listed the CD to be .35 as well as one of the original brochures for the GTS coupe when it came out. The internet has a lot of misinformation. Whether you believe me or not, is irrelevant. The GTS coupe's aero is pretty good is all I was getting at. Sal's Viper picks up 45 MPH in the 2nd 1/8 mile, It can't be too much of a brick!


Here is what it says below the video:

55 to 150+ Lambo gets the hit and Viper easily stops the pull, and starts out running the lambo before they let off. Amazing that the Viper on its lowest setting and 93 octane is faster than a 1260RWHP Lambo on straight race fuel and high boost!

Jeez, that can't be good for TT G business.......

I still think an all out TT G is 'almost' unbeatable on the street, but if someone gets serious about a Viper build the G's will have competition.

If the G's were to run Sal on the street, they would get decimated period!

I'm not saying for the typical TT G crowd that a 2 speed powerglide Viper with no overdrive is as sexy a ***** to drive around making women's **** fly out of their blouses as it is with a TT G and the monster 4 wheel bite, but it could still break some hearts is all I'm saying.


Dan, tell Sal Patel his car does not have enough downforce to have enough traction to put on 45 MPH from the 1/8 @ 163 MPH to almost 208 the 1/4! LOL!

BTW the carbon fiber wrapped Viper that went 240 in the mile was not making 1700 RWHP to do so. It bounced off the boost cut 3 or 4 times for the last 1/4 mile so was not under that power the whole way to be able to say it needed every bit of 1700 RWHP to go 240.

Remember, people always say they are making X power when in actuality they are making less. Gale Banks used to always say he was making some crazy horsepower for the media people when he was not.

You can say that X person was running X boost and makes that much power on a dyno, but just because they are running that boost by the end of the mile with much higher AIT's, they are typically making less power and fail to mention that when they say how much power they are running to go X MPH.

 

You should lay off the caffeine.

 

Just got back from Starbucks!

I can't ignore the responses of my homies!