Underground Racing TT Lamborghini Gallardo 8 Second 1/4 Mile World Record Pass, ***VI
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A RWD car with drag radials can do somewhat well (still lose and getting pulled on with a hit and a 1.5 car lead) on a runway, where it'd be even more pulled on on the street. A car driven by Tag who had never driven a turbo Gallardo before and was driving someone else's 1-week-old-built car?
Ok. And the Viper still needed to pull chute, that's so street car! And even then, the Stage 2R would pull buslengths on the Stage 1R. And no, the 1996 GTS has the same drag as the newer 2003 body. It's due to a poor hood shape and fender extractor. It's 0.39. Sorry.
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Ok, not going to argue with you any more about the .35. Even if it is a .39, still very competitive for the Viper platform.
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The Viper will never have the traction, the transmission durability, nor the aero to keep up. This is why, with regards to the street, everybody has moved over to the Lambo and GTR platforms. Supras were always faster than Vipers on the street, and the new R versions eat those Supras for breakfast
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You are making absolute statements without regard to the differences in the development curves of different era cars.
Things are not that cut and dry.
The GTR's seem to be able to run stickier tires and the driveline seem to tolerate it a bit better than the TT G, no offense to any Lambo tuner. Every platform has its inherent weaknesses or limitations. The GTR is butt ugly, the Viper has a **** interior, the G looks like a wedge shaped door stop to some people including myself, the FGT looks like a super exotic and is super bad a s s, but has a few angles where it looks less than beefy. I prefer the looks of the 1996 GTS Viper to anything else I have ever seen especially in the blue and white. It has no angle where it looks anything but a sexy monster. I love the Pagani Zonda, hate the look of the new Ferrari F 12, but I like the 458 quite a little bit.
If you saw a video of a Supra beating a Viper, it does not mean that the most current level of technology in terms of ECU and turbo technology in combination with correct engine build and RPM range would lead to the same result. Many older Vipers like the Hennessey ones would get raped by the newer stuff that is coming out due to people pushing the envelope just like UR and Heffner are pushing the G platform.
Your making absolute statements like this show how little you know about timelines of development curves. You should learn more and refrain from making such ridiculous comments. How does that old saying go about opening your mouth and removing all doubt?
Things are not that cut and dry.
The GTR's seem to be able to run stickier tires and the driveline seem to tolerate it a bit better than the TT G, no offense to any Lambo tuner. Every platform has its inherent weaknesses or limitations. The GTR is butt ugly, the Viper has a **** interior, the G looks like a wedge shaped door stop to some people including myself, the FGT looks like a super exotic and is super bad a s s, but has a few angles where it looks less than beefy. I prefer the looks of the 1996 GTS Viper to anything else I have ever seen especially in the blue and white. It has no angle where it looks anything but a sexy monster. I love the Pagani Zonda, hate the look of the new Ferrari F 12, but I like the 458 quite a little bit.
If you saw a video of a Supra beating a Viper, it does not mean that the most current level of technology in terms of ECU and turbo technology in combination with correct engine build and RPM range would lead to the same result. Many older Vipers like the Hennessey ones would get raped by the newer stuff that is coming out due to people pushing the envelope just like UR and Heffner are pushing the G platform.
Your making absolute statements like this show how little you know about timelines of development curves. You should learn more and refrain from making such ridiculous comments. How does that old saying go about opening your mouth and removing all doubt?
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Ford GT is the only domestic that may have a shot. But against a Stage 3 Race? Not sure...
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FGT is the current mile record holder. Even a 2nd generation F-body has gone 255 MPH at the Texas Mile on an unprepped surface in case you hadn't heard.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3653235
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300 you are clearly a troll. That is evidenced by your posts, time on the forum, and threads you post in. Having said that, are you referring to the 1250 whp G referenced in this thread:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...erleggera.html
That car runs on a street tire, makes 1250 whp and lost to a 168-170 mph GTR on drag radials. Who gives a fu-k. There will always be someone faster, someone with more $.....
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...erleggera.html
That car runs on a street tire, makes 1250 whp and lost to a 168-170 mph GTR on drag radials. Who gives a fu-k. There will always be someone faster, someone with more $.....
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I think the reason Shadow brought up that link was because this is an old argument that, like I said, is hypothetical. One of the guys in that old thread happens to be the owner of the Lambo in the vid you posted. He states that he was not on 26 psi or full c16 and that his car has since been built to 1500+. At that point it was at around 1100. He also owns (as of two years ago) a 1750hp viper that he admits would get dominated by his G on the street because of traction issues.
Safety is the main reason you're not going to see Sal, Larry Larson or anyone else with a 6 second "street" car running them anywhere but the track. That and the fact that if they ever got pulled their car would be impounded because they're not exactly street legal. John Shepherd held the AWD record of 7.70 @ 191 for five years I think. He won't even run that car at the track on full boost anymore because even with four slicks and AWD there's not enough of a contact patch to keep it straight.
SW got brought up because he seemed like the best example of someone that owned a similar setup to the one you brought up. No nutswinging or "vouching" intended.
When it comes down to it hard proof is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just speculative bench racing. Most people here (I am one of them) agree with most of your points, it's just that traction is the most unpredictable variable in racing. This could go back and forth forever. Or at least for two more weeks until TI. How about we let it die and see what happens.
Safety is the main reason you're not going to see Sal, Larry Larson or anyone else with a 6 second "street" car running them anywhere but the track. That and the fact that if they ever got pulled their car would be impounded because they're not exactly street legal. John Shepherd held the AWD record of 7.70 @ 191 for five years I think. He won't even run that car at the track on full boost anymore because even with four slicks and AWD there's not enough of a contact patch to keep it straight.
SW got brought up because he seemed like the best example of someone that owned a similar setup to the one you brought up. No nutswinging or "vouching" intended.
When it comes down to it hard proof is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just speculative bench racing. Most people here (I am one of them) agree with most of your points, it's just that traction is the most unpredictable variable in racing. This could go back and forth forever. Or at least for two more weeks until TI. How about we let it die and see what happens.
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I understand from somebody who was at the race, the UR TT G was on 1550 kill and the GTR was 1200 to the wheels.
I would attribute the win to the tires to be sure.
BUT a win is a win whether you win by an inch or a mile
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Sorry, I was there this morning and that G from Dave's mouth is making 1550 whp! I guess he was lying since you know his car better than he does!! He was on Toyos and the GTR was on drag radials. Tires had something to do with it, but the G still got spanked! Hopefully the videos will surface soon enough...
Dave told me his Heffner for GT made 2000 hp also.
He has set up shipping for his car to come back for a Race build. I owe the GTR a thanks I guess.
This is not the first time a GTR has beat a TTG. Its going to happen, just racing.
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I think the reason Shadow brought up that link was because this is an old argument that, like I said, is hypothetical. One of the guys in that old thread happens to be the owner of the Lambo in the vid you posted. He states that he was not on 26 psi or full c16 and that his car has since been built to 1500+. At that point it was at around 1100. He also owns (as of two years ago) a 1750hp viper that he admits would get dominated by his G on the street because of traction issues.
Safety is the main reason you're not going to see Sal, Larry Larson or anyone else with a 6 second "street" car running them anywhere but the track. That and the fact that if they ever got pulled their car would be impounded because they're not exactly street legal. John Shepherd held the AWD record of 7.70 @ 191 for five years I think. He won't even run that car at the track on full boost anymore because even with four slicks and AWD there's not enough of a contact patch to keep it straight.
SW got brought up because he seemed like the best example of someone that owned a similar setup to the one you brought up. No nutswinging or "vouching" intended.
When it comes down to it hard proof is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just speculative bench racing. Most people here (I am one of them) agree with most of your points, it's just that traction is the most unpredictable variable in racing. This could go back and forth forever. Or at least for two more weeks until TI. How about we let it die and see what happens.
Safety is the main reason you're not going to see Sal, Larry Larson or anyone else with a 6 second "street" car running them anywhere but the track. That and the fact that if they ever got pulled their car would be impounded because they're not exactly street legal. John Shepherd held the AWD record of 7.70 @ 191 for five years I think. He won't even run that car at the track on full boost anymore because even with four slicks and AWD there's not enough of a contact patch to keep it straight.
SW got brought up because he seemed like the best example of someone that owned a similar setup to the one you brought up. No nutswinging or "vouching" intended.
When it comes down to it hard proof is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just speculative bench racing. Most people here (I am one of them) agree with most of your points, it's just that traction is the most unpredictable variable in racing. This could go back and forth forever. Or at least for two more weeks until TI. How about we let it die and see what happens.
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So you are saying that his car is not a R build as HE CLAIMED?
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He claims a lot. He was telling people it makes 1500 hp. I guess it does, at the CRANK.
This is how the car left..
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/lamborghini/279849-dave-ciardullos-underground-racing-tt-superleggera.html
This is how the car left..
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/lamborghini/279849-dave-ciardullos-underground-racing-tt-superleggera.html
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Houston, your commentary is not necessary here.
Here you go.
Do you think the UR TT G owner would say he is running 1550 RWHP and put some Toyo road race stickers over his street tires?
Oh, there is always somebody faster with more money. Funny coming from somebody with a big dollar UR TT G build. Priceless!
All trolls need a place to start posting. If there are more interesting threads on here, I might start posting here more regularly.
So keep up the good lifeline to the kool aid and maybe we will cross paths again, hopefully in a more friendly exchange.
Enjoy you awesome TT G and let's never get into the "Houston, we have a problem" situation.
Peace out!
Here you go.
Do you think the UR TT G owner would say he is running 1550 RWHP and put some Toyo road race stickers over his street tires?
Oh, there is always somebody faster with more money. Funny coming from somebody with a big dollar UR TT G build. Priceless!
All trolls need a place to start posting. If there are more interesting threads on here, I might start posting here more regularly.
So keep up the good lifeline to the kool aid and maybe we will cross paths again, hopefully in a more friendly exchange.
Enjoy you awesome TT G and let's never get into the "Houston, we have a problem" situation.
Peace out!
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He claims a lot. He was telling people it makes 1500 hp. I guess it does, at the CRANK.
This is how the car left..
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...erleggera.html
This is how the car left..
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...erleggera.html
Do you think you can throw this into the cost of the build or would you have to charge more for that?????(Joke)
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I guess you need to include some media training and elocution classes for your customers so they make you look as good as possible so you don't have media scandals like what we have here! LOL!
Do you think you can throw this into the cost of the build or would you have to charge more for that?????(Joke)
Do you think you can throw this into the cost of the build or would you have to charge more for that?????(Joke)
haha!
I have customers with boltons claiming they have Race version. lol
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Loooool 300. You are . Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfao
. Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfao
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Loooool 300. You are . Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfao
. Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfaoThis is a very clean race between a 1250+ whp G vs a 1200+ whp GTR.
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Loooool 300. You are . Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfao
. Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfaoShadow, I am old enough to know you do not bring a knife to a gun fight!
The Toyo R888 is a track competition DOT street legal ROAD RACE tire. The GTR's M&H drag radials are ALSO a DOT legal street tire.
You need to understand that NEITHER of those tires are technically a 'STREET' tire.
Keep lyfao bro!
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Loooool 300. You are . Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfao
. Seriously, how old are you? Toyo R888s ARE street tires. They are far far far away from a drag radial. If it's going into the shop for a R build, how does that make any sense if it is an R version already? You honestly think a GTR with 1200 whp will beat a 1550 whp Gallardo? lmfao and even at 1250whp I expected the G to be faster than a 1200 whp heavier Gtr