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300 you bring up some good points, however at the at the TI event the Viper tag raced was a car sporting a powerglide which in the real world is not considered a street transmission . The Viper may have put down 1200 WHP although I think it was more it but it was putting that power through a powerglide that robs a lot of HP inexchange for a car that only has one shift and makes it much more manageable for the viper to put the power to the ground .
Not sure about you but I consider that a race car . The Lambo was robbed by a solid two carlengths at the start and made it up plus put 2 to three on the viper . I am sure Tag won't let that happen again
If the viper had a more streetable sixspeed the out come would have been way worse for him let alone being on R888s as the Lambo was .
The appeal of The G's is that they are exotics very streetable and can run with and beat most everything on the street from a roll and now a dig too . Sals car is a race car and is a very impressive one at that . I would love to see Sal's car cruising the streets of Texas at TX2K13 and doing a few freeway runs I may even find a few races for him .
Most of the smarter guys here know no matter what you have someone is gonna beat you but like you said without slicks or a powerglide very few big motor domestics will stand a chance againt the TTGs .At the end of the day the Lambo still beat the Viper I personally don't think a spread of 5 carlengths is considered close . You are comparing a street car to a race car . Sal's car would own TI but themn so would a bunch of other drag cars .personally I think they should have a seperate class for cars like that .
Thats just my two cents worth but what do I know
Not sure about you but I consider that a race car . The Lambo was robbed by a solid two carlengths at the start and made it up plus put 2 to three on the viper . I am sure Tag won't let that happen again
If the viper had a more streetable sixspeed the out come would have been way worse for him let alone being on R888s as the Lambo was .
The appeal of The G's is that they are exotics very streetable and can run with and beat most everything on the street from a roll and now a dig too . Sals car is a race car and is a very impressive one at that . I would love to see Sal's car cruising the streets of Texas at TX2K13 and doing a few freeway runs I may even find a few races for him .
Most of the smarter guys here know no matter what you have someone is gonna beat you but like you said without slicks or a powerglide very few big motor domestics will stand a chance againt the TTGs .At the end of the day the Lambo still beat the Viper I personally don't think a spread of 5 carlengths is considered close . You are comparing a street car to a race car . Sal's car would own TI but themn so would a bunch of other drag cars .personally I think they should have a seperate class for cars like that .
Thats just my two cents worth but what do I know
One clarification though, the Viper that raced TAG had a turbo 400 transmission with over drive. So it is a streetable option unlike a powerglide.
We can argue about the spread which looked more like 1 or so cars at the start and the end more like 1-1.5 cars. So I say 2-2.5 cars, you say 5. Regardless, more power in the Viper would have made it closer.
As far as having a separate class for cars like Sal's, that is the age old attempt of people who spend a lot of money tailor making the rules of the game to their advantage.
Believe me, the guy in the blue GTS Viper with his overdriven turbo 400 transmission would get a huge smile on his face if he beat a TT G stage whatever R on the street.
I pointed out these 2 cars because Sal's is very fast and diminishes the invincibility argument to Zero.
The other car is real world enough to qualify to be a legitimate threat to any TT G.
I have said numerous times that with street tires, there is not a car that can hang with the TT G on the street except for maybe that GTR that just spanked a 1550 TT G from a 60 roll this morning in New York!
The G is X dollars and has quite a long list of modifications to it engine, Motec and drive line-wise, that to say oh Sal's car should be put in a different class is funny to me because with an OD, that car could be driven on the street with it's AC and full interior and weight
So if you are going to break everything down into classes, will you do it by $ of modifications, or stock engine and driveline no FI, or _ do you see where this is going?
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Wow, I'm not even going to respond to 300's post.. That was terrible to read. Let's put it this way, Dodge's official figure is 0.39, you don't think they're going to go backwards from 2005-2010 at 0.38 and 2013 at 0.364, do you? Also, you really did bring up the UGR Viper vs Gallardo, welcome back to 2010
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Wow, I'm not even going to respond to 300's post.. That was terrible to read. Let's put it this way, Dodge's official figure is 0.39, you don't think they're going to go backwards from 2005-2010 at 0.38 and 2013 at 0.364, do you? Also, you really did bring up the UGR Viper vs Gallardo, welcome back to 2010
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...rbo-z06-4.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...rbo-z06-4.html
The proof is in the pudding in the blue UR Viper vs Tag. That shows that RWD on an unprepped surface can do very well against a 1550 RWHP TT G.
Shadow, if you look at the 2003-2008 Viper body, it is more square than the second generation Viper and has a higher CD. The new 2013 is shaped more like the second generation Viper and therefore has a lower CD. The new car has a little more downforce therefore is not quite as slick.
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End of the day. This G is an 8 second highclass, luxury supercar and the Viper is a dodge that shares the same interior as my mothers Intrepid.
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Great benchracing racing thread lol.
Bottom line is you can say the viper almost beat the lambo at TI or was running this boost etc etc. Bottom line is it lost.
Fact is the 1500+whp lambos are undefeated on the street or at TI.
The car in this vid is faster than them. Put 2 and 2 together and yea, it's pretty safe to say this 180mph lambo won't be beaten at TI or on the street.
Not a nutswinger/hanger in fact I would be rooting for an underdog like that viper, gt-r etc but I'm not going to ignore that when it comes to fast street cars...these cars are the kings of the mountain.
Bottom line is you can say the viper almost beat the lambo at TI or was running this boost etc etc. Bottom line is it lost.
Fact is the 1500+whp lambos are undefeated on the street or at TI.
The car in this vid is faster than them. Put 2 and 2 together and yea, it's pretty safe to say this 180mph lambo won't be beaten at TI or on the street.
Not a nutswinger/hanger in fact I would be rooting for an underdog like that viper, gt-r etc but I'm not going to ignore that when it comes to fast street cars...these cars are the kings of the mountain.
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Maybe you can get some subliminal tapes for when you sleep and take a picture with your head in a cardboard cutout TT G in the meantime!
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Great benchracing racing thread lol.
Bottom line is you can say the viper almost beat the lambo at TI or was running this boost etc etc. Bottom line is it lost.
Fact is the 1500+whp lambos are undefeated on the street or at TI.
The car in this vid is faster than them. Put 2 and 2 together and yea, it's pretty safe to say this 180mph lambo won't be beaten at TI or on the street.
Not a nutswinger/hanger in fact I would be rooting for an underdog like that viper, gt-r etc but I'm not going to ignore that when it comes to fast street cars...these cars are the kings of the mountain.
Bottom line is you can say the viper almost beat the lambo at TI or was running this boost etc etc. Bottom line is it lost.
Fact is the 1500+whp lambos are undefeated on the street or at TI.
The car in this vid is faster than them. Put 2 and 2 together and yea, it's pretty safe to say this 180mph lambo won't be beaten at TI or on the street.
Not a nutswinger/hanger in fact I would be rooting for an underdog like that viper, gt-r etc but I'm not going to ignore that when it comes to fast street cars...these cars are the kings of the mountain.
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I dont think we will be taking any stage 2 Race Version Gallardo's to TI as I have tested one there and just bearely got it stopped and was not even at full power. No fun in packing a chute everytime we make a pass so we might just stick with the stage 1 R's
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Wow, a link to a thread of another person who thinks EXACTLY as you do.
The proof is in the pudding in the blue UR Viper vs Tag. That shows that RWD on an unprepped surface can do very well against a 1550 RWHP TT G.
Shadow, if you look at the 2003-2008 Viper body, it is more square than the second generation Viper and has a higher CD. The new 2013 is shaped more like the second generation Viper and therefore has a lower CD. The new car has a little more downforce therefore is not quite as slick.
Sorry you don't like my writing bud!
The proof is in the pudding in the blue UR Viper vs Tag. That shows that RWD on an unprepped surface can do very well against a 1550 RWHP TT G.
Shadow, if you look at the 2003-2008 Viper body, it is more square than the second generation Viper and has a higher CD. The new 2013 is shaped more like the second generation Viper and therefore has a lower CD. The new car has a little more downforce therefore is not quite as slick.
Sorry you don't like my writing bud!
The Viper will never have the traction, the transmission durability, nor the aero to keep up. This is why, with regards to the street, everybody has moved over to the Lambo and GTR platforms. Supras were always faster than Vipers on the street, and the new R versions eat those Supras for breakfast
Ford GT is the only domestic that may have a shot. But against a Stage 3 Race? Not sure...
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Mounting a parachute high enough on the back of the G might make it a race car if you listen to some of the guys on this forum!
Good business move!
Congrats again on that awesome pass BTW!
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300 you are clearly a troll. That is evidenced by your posts, time on the forum, and threads you post in. Having said that, are you referring to the 1250 whp G referenced in this thread:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/lamborghini/279849-dave-ciardullos-underground-racing-tt-superleggera.html
That car runs on a street tire, makes 1250 whp and lost to a 168-170 mph GTR on drag radials. Who gives a fu-k. There will always be someone faster, someone with more $.....
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/lamborghini/279849-dave-ciardullos-underground-racing-tt-superleggera.html
That car runs on a street tire, makes 1250 whp and lost to a 168-170 mph GTR on drag radials. Who gives a fu-k. There will always be someone faster, someone with more $.....
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im pretty sure that G is only 1250 to the wheels !