Panamera The 4-dour coupe by Porsche

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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 12:04 PM
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Two chargers versus a single is a significant difference... if the limitation to charge rate is based upon the EVSE design or electrical service limitations.

In my case, I have 50 Amps available to my EVSE location. If my PSeh had two chargers (and two ports of course) I could add another EVSE and cut my charge time in half.

Tesla commands $3600 for twin onboard chargers.
 
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Ah, if that is what you mean by two chargers (2 ports). Then I am pretty sure it is just one rated at 7.2. Thought maybe you meant twin 3.6 units internally working in parallel off of one line or something.

However even with a single 7.2 I am cutting my charge time in half. Site says something like 1.3 hours.
 
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Originally Posted by ace10
If my PSeh had two chargers (and two ports of course) I could add another EVSE and cut my charge time in half.
Dual chargers does not mean two ports on a Tesla. Or on any other car that I'm aware of. It just means the existing port can now handle more current.
 
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Dual chargers does not mean two ports on a Tesla. Or on any other car that I'm aware of. It just means the existing port can now handle more current.

I barely remember the information from my tilt at buying a Tesla. TBH

I think the chargers (combined) were rated for 80A, so would that not necessitate a plug other than the J1772?
 
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You're correct that dual chargers on the Tesla means 80 amps. That's the limit of the J1772 connector, 80 amps, which is 19.2 kW @ 240 volts. For more than that you need a DC connector that bypasses the car's charger like the CHAdeMO connector in the Nissan Leaf or Tesla's proprietary connector.
 
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Congratulations!!! You're lucky and happy man)))
 
Old Oct 7, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gus_Smedstad
You're correct that dual chargers on the Tesla means 80 amps. That's the limit of the J1772 connector, 80 amps, which is 19.2 kW @ 240 volts. For more than that you need a DC connector that bypasses the car's charger like the CHAdeMO connector in the Nissan Leaf or Tesla's proprietary connector.

For some reason, I thought the J1772 was limited to 30A or somewhere around there.


Is your charger handle stamped with a Amperage rating?
 
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I'll take a look at the handle tomorrow morning. I know the NEMA 6-50 cable has a tag saying it draws 16 amps, but that's not about the connector, that's about the Porsche EVSE. I still want to say "charger" even though the charging electronics are inside the car, and the EVSE is some sort of regulator controlled by signals from the onboard charger.
 
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the car limits the amperage - even if you had a 100amp cable it would only charge at 10amps or so
 
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ya thats the thing about buying something the 1st year...

I beleve the cayanne se has an option for a 7.2 charger i assume its built into the car. it would be nice if i could be retrofited to the PSEH as it would cut our charging time in half.


I see something about an aftermarket cable that is rated at 30amps however i think the on car equipment would limit it.
 
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I think it is more important to use a 220V charger than a 110V and that will certainly speed up the process by about half or more
 
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Originally Posted by dhh
I think it is more important to use a 220V charger than a 110V and that will certainly speed up the process by about half or more
im aware .. however duel chargers would cut charging time to a little over an hour .. or less
 
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It's ~14 hours versus ~2.5 hours when going from 110V to 220V.
 
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As I said upthread, the difference is more than you'd expect just from the increased voltage and current. There's an implication that 110v involves energy lost in the charging process as well. I think I saw somewhere a 70% efficiency vs. 90% figure, but I don't have a link handy.
 
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Originally Posted by ace10
Is your charger handle stamped with a Amperage rating?
I finally got around to doing this.

My handle does indeed have power numbers stamped on it. 250v @ 16 amps for power, and 30v @ 2 amps for control signals. Those are clearly the limits of that particular plastic handle, not inherent limits of the J1772 connector.
 

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