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Friends, new to me 2010 4S. This is only the second Panamera I have ever driven so I don't have a good frame of reference. The other model I drove was a S e-Hybrid (2014). My question here is my 4S seems to need some "fairly descent" accelerator / gas pedal input to get moving.
What I mean by this is for instance, if I start the car (assume a flat surface) and shift into reverse; the car doesn't really move on its own accord; it requires some pedal input to get moving. I guess I am used to putting a car and reverse and just taking your foot off the brake gets the car going. Same with going forward at start / stop speed my 4S wants to just sit still unless you get into the gas pedal.
Otherwise the car drives great it really shines at higher RPMs. In my NooB mind it almost has this "bogged down" feeling in those scenarios I mentioned.
+1 for Sprint Booster. Changes the acceleration experience considerably. Probably the most impactful yet cost effective mod you can do to the 970. Almost feels like the car is has a tune. Fully reversible and leaves no trace so nothing to lose.
Driving in "comfort" can feel sluggish -- it is also a function of the early up-shifts done to help improve the fuel mileage.
Diving in Sport mode will make it feel more alive -- Sport+ (if you have it) is really zippy but not designed for around town driving (high rpm shifts).
The designing engineers were trying to make a vehicle that could meet a decent mpg figure as well as have great performance.
I have found no need for the booster -- just press the pedal a little farther and little faster. It will respond.
The term OP is looking for to describe the car moving without pedal input is "creep" in industry terms. In traditional torque-converter automatics this was a natural effect, in modern hybrids and dual clutch systems this must be designed in and "tuned" and can vary a lot based on what each manufacturer considers ideal.
The sluggish pedal is a totally different phenomenon. That is the "throttle mapping". Below is an image I snagged from a google search (i.e. just a generic example, not an actual Porsche throttle map). It is simply a ratio of how much the computer tells the throttle to open based on how much torque the driver requests (how far down he pushes the A-pedal). The only thing that products like Sprint booster do is to exaggerate the curve of the throttle map to something like "sport++" with a large initial slope and a large "knee" where the throttle response flattens out in the second half of travel. Basically they take a throttle pedal that travels 4 inches and make it only use the first 2 inches of travel, so that when you push the pedal down 1 inch you say, "woah, this is so much faster!" but it really isn't any different than if you had just pushed your pedal down 2 inches before installing the sprint booster.
Probably similar to HP41, I strongly dislike this kind of artificial non-linear throttle response. I drive with engine map in "sport" as I find it closest to linear (linear = ideal IMO). If I want more torque, I press the pedal more, and I want the engine response to be equally proportional at any point in the pedal travel.
Thank you, you just reduced my anxiety by 1 million points
Sprint Booster definitely needed on the Panny. Super sluggish start without it and made a big difference once the sprint booster was installed. You just need to have the setting to what you prefer. I have mine on #5 sport more and it’s perfect for me.
Driving in "comfort" can feel sluggish -- it is also a function of the early up-shifts done to help improve the fuel mileage.
Diving in Sport mode will make it feel more alive -- Sport+ (if you have it) is really zippy but not designed for around town driving (high rpm shifts).
The designing engineers were trying to make a vehicle that could meet a decent mpg figure as well as have great performance.
I have found no need for the booster -- just press the pedal a little farther and little faster. It will respond.
Hi I have a 2010 and I have noticed the same thing, its sluggish when reversing and also when accelerating from a stop. the problem with the above comment is that if you press the pedal quicker and farther is the vehicle will be jerky/lurch so i have yet to find a happy medium. Sport mode makes it better but its not the most ideal thing in stop and go traffic. Let me know if you find a solution
The term OP is looking for to describe the car moving without pedal input is "creep" in industry terms. In traditional torque-converter automatics this was a natural effect, in modern hybrids and dual clutch systems this must be designed in and "tuned" and can vary a lot based on what each manufacturer considers ideal.
The sluggish pedal is a totally different phenomenon. That is the "throttle mapping". Below is an image I snagged from a google search (i.e. just a generic example, not an actual Porsche throttle map). It is simply a ratio of how much the computer tells the throttle to open based on how much torque the driver requests (how far down he pushes the A-pedal). The only thing that products like Sprint booster do is to exaggerate the curve of the throttle map to something like "sport++" with a large initial slope and a large "knee" where the throttle response flattens out in the second half of travel. Basically they take a throttle pedal that travels 4 inches and make it only use the first 2 inches of travel, so that when you push the pedal down 1 inch you say, "woah, this is so much faster!" but it really isn't any different than if you had just pushed your pedal down 2 inches before installing the sprint booster.
Probably similar to HP41, I strongly dislike this kind of artificial non-linear throttle response. I drive with engine map in "sport" as I find it closest to linear (linear = ideal IMO). If I want more torque, I press the pedal more, and I want the engine response to be equally proportional at any point in the pedal travel.
question for you, so i have that same "creep" issue on my panamera, when i am backing into a stall sometimes i dont get the smooth "creep" effect when letting off the acceleration....a normal torque converter will give me a good/consistent amount of vehicle movement as i let off the brake pedal but with the panamera sometimes as i let off the brake pedal the panamera barely moves and i have to press the accelerator to get any movement but if im backing into a tight stall sometimes its too much movement when pressing the accelerator (because i have to press further down and there is a delay in getting the vehicle to move) i get the jerky/lurch effect cause the acceleration wasnt smooth. Hope that makes sense. Would the sprint booster fix this issue? Not sure if original poster has this same issue.
I'm due for the PDK service, I wonder if some fresh trans oil might help (perhaps its a trans phenomenon) reason I say that like others stated here in reverse especially I feel a lot of resistance from the car, especially at cold start. I noticed when the car is warm that resistance goes away and the "slow" rolling start from a stop is smoother with less resistance.
I have the same issue as you, 2010 Panamera s, let me know if you find something that helps. I also ordered the sprint Booster yesterday I'll let you know if it improves the sluggish pedal response....it's dangerous sometimes when trying to quickly accelerate with the sluggishness and if I press the throttle too quick and fast its jerky
QUOTE=GemCity970_4S;4905066]I'm due for the PDK service, I wonder if some fresh trans oil might help (perhaps its a trans phenomenon) reason I say that like others stated here in reverse especially I feel a lot of resistance from the car, especially at cold start. I noticed when the car is warm that resistance goes away and the "slow" rolling start from a stop is smoother with less resistance.[/QUOTE]
