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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 08:18 PM
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Mike,

Right now I'd be happy to get the motor assembled, installed and tuned.

We know what we are going to do with the front end and the lifts. We are starting to look at what other manufacturer's have done. An example is BMW with the BMW RSR ABS system. It can be installed and integrated on the 996tt for about 12K and it beats anything Porsche currently has hands down.

Audi has a superb awd system ...... we are looking at that along with some other things that are out there.

After analyzing the center locks, we decided to pass. The big advantage of the center locks and BBS wheels was weight. The wheels weighed about 16 pounds. However, I have found magnesium/cf wheels that weigh 14 lbs. It appears the only thing the center locks now have going for them is they look cool. However at the cost for being cool ..... I'll pass.

That brings us back to the wide body. I like it, the wider stance will slow top end down, however handling should be better. We are looking at it right now. The cost for the wide body through prime paint is about 26K. It allows for a lot of tire choices, but nothing over 335's. The main benefit seems to come down to the improved handling offered by the wider stance but at the cost of wind resistance at higher speeds.
 

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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 07:54 PM
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Things are moving better than I anticipated.

The motor assembly has started.

I also have some very exciting news. Anyone setup their motor without any MAF? I have a brand new MAF which I purchased from Protomotive (never installed) and I am now considering not using it. I have run across some F1 technology in the forum of an ECU that will take over all motor functions from the 996tt ECU. I can run a MAF or utilize speed density. I can also take over such functions as ABS or PMS. You heard that right ....... PMS.

We will require some harness made and the motor will be tuned on an engine dyno.

I'm so excited!
 

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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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996tt motor without using a MAF

Has anyone heard of our motors operating without a MAF.

I believe the world is changing again ........ big time.
 
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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On factory ECU? We ditched our MAF a few months back with a little help from a M800.
 
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:13 PM
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On factory ECU? We ditched our MAF a few months back with a little help from a M800.
Does the M800 use speed density? Can your M800 also take over control of ABS and PSM. I don't believe any Motec has the capabilities of this system.
 
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Justin N from Tuning Concept/Boost Logic has been running his home built standalone for 6+ months now running in Speed Density. I think he is one of the first few setups to not have a million lights on the dash going and he's done it all by himself. I'll let him explain more about the setup.

As far as stock DME, I did not know either! I always look towards you when new innovations come about so if you didn't know I def. didn't know it was possible.
 
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Originally Posted by Powell
Justin N from Tuning Concept/Boost Logic has been running his home built standalone for 6+ months now running in Speed Density. I think he is one of the first few setups to not have a million lights on the dash going and he's done it all by himself. I'll let him explain more about the setup.

As far as stock DME, I did not know either! I always look towards you when new innovations come about so if you didn't know I def. didn't know it was possible.
Powell.

I was introduced to it today while trying to install a BMW RSR ABS system on the 996tt. This is F1 technology. It runs with the 996tt ECU. It can take over any 996tt ECU function desired or incorporate a totally new function.
 

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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cjv
Does the M800 use speed density? Can your M800 also take over control of ABS and PSM. I don't believe any Motec has the capabilities of this system.
Factory ECU is still in the car handling these duties, M800 handles all the good stuff. The possibilities with integration are endless, datalogging, multiple maps on the fly, antilag, the works. Still have a few bugs to work out but it's been quite a bit easier than most in this market make it out to be.
 
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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That sounds pretty trick right there! I am not sure on the limits of what Justin is using, only parts I know that it controls is spark, fuel, etc. I am going to be using his setup possibly when I do my motor build. Nothing beats live tuning!

Any idea of the cost of the system you found? I'm guessing pretty pricey, but it maybe worth it for someone like you who has got the baddest 996TT motor around!
 
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Powell
That sounds pretty trick right there! I am not sure on the limits of what Justin is using, only parts I know that it controls is spark, fuel, etc. I am going to be using his setup possibly when I do my motor build. Nothing beats live tuning!

Any idea of the cost of the system you found? I'm guessing pretty pricey, but it maybe worth it for someone like you who has got the baddest 996TT motor around!
Hold on to your seat. The system with harness is less than $3,500.00. This does not include tuning.
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
Hold on to your seat. The system with harness is less than $3,500.00. This does not include tuning.
Really!? Wow!!! Send me a link in a PM (since I'm guessing they aren't a sponsor). I'd really like to check this system out!
 
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Oh ours also uses a jumper harness, aside from putting a MAF back into the car, we simply unplug the jumperharness, plug the factory ECU back into the factory harness, and it runs just like stock once reflashed.
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
Hold on to your seat. The system with harness is less than $3,500.00. This does not include tuning.
Killer price. I think competitive products will be making their rounds after PRI. Motec is releasing their new line of ECU's more focused towards street cars and priced effectively as well. Haltecs latest line of platinum ECU's are also quality pieces competitively priced

Ultimately once you remove the MAF you free up the future towards huge HP without limitation, as well as the many different features offered in standalones (custom boost / speed or gear, antilag, launch control, traction control, data logging all the time without having a laptop in the car, etc).
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
...I can also take over such functions as ABS or PMS. You heard that right ....... PMS...
Chad,

That's great news! I know I'm not alone when I say that I can't wait to hear that your car is running and back on the road.

However, despite what you may have been told, PMS is totally uncontrollable. I'm sure you meant "PSM".

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Originally Posted by cjv
Has anyone heard of our motors operating without a MAF.

I believe the world is changing again ........ big time.
Yes. we have tuned several cars this way while retaining the ABS / PSM. Car runs perfect without the MAF
 
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