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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Z07
Nope, this is yet another misinterpretation. They weeded these problems out during testing. It was due to contamination during application. When the coating does eventually wear away, it will likely be outside the warranty period and there are several options. Plasma re-spray, nikasil.... or sleeves (just in case the point really hasn't reached home yet in 10 years time).
Don't be so sure.

One of the first owners of the GTR in Australia is quoted in May's edition of Motor Magazine.

"I asked Steve about the V6's super thin(0.15mm) sprayed-on plasma bore liners and the rumours of major servicing requirements at 100,000km to reapply the material.

"Yep,it's 100,000 km...and it's an engine-out exercise.So I'm not putting many more kays on my car,that's for sure!"

You'd think an owner who just forked out around $150k would know misinterpretation from fact.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Don't be so sure.

One of the first owners of the GTR in Australia is quoted in May's edition of Motor Magazine.

"I asked Steve about the V6's super thin(0.15mm) sprayed-on plasma bore liners and the rumours of major servicing requirements at 100,000km to reapply the material.

"Yep,it's 100,000 km...and it's an engine-out exercise.So I'm not putting many more kays on my car,that's for sure!"

You'd think an owner who just forked out around $150k would know misinterpretation from fact.
Source?
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Z07
Nope, this is yet another misinterpretation. They weeded these problems out during testing. It was due to contamination during application. When the coating does eventually wear away, it will likely be outside the warranty period and there are several options. Plasma re-spray, nikasil.... or sleeves (just in case the point really hasn't reached home yet in 10 years time).
what is misinterpreted? The quote from the VR38 engineer sounded like the testing was not completed to their satisfaction and that questions about the durability were unanswered. So let's say the coating doesn't "peel off in thin strips" and just slowly abrades off. When 60k miles comes around then the options are

1)plasma re-spray - perhaps 2-3 facilities in the world that can do this
2)nikasil - completely abandoned process for the US market, but perhaps a few shops here and there (Duffin's in San Antonio) that can do this well
3)sleeves - a 2mm iron sleeve can be fitted but then there are heat transference issues since the sleeve and the original aluminum (originally 6.5mm wall, now 4.5mm wall) not only don't have the same conductivity but expand at different rates. This is more a problem with these siamesed bores which may exhibit less flex but are more prone to hot zones.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:20 AM
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LOL.

May edition of Motor magazine...Australian edition (page 40)!

What's your source that it's not?
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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How many other production cars have plasma liners?? This is total bs if it's true.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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i'll let you know about the liner when i get to over 100,000 miles. how about that? i average 4k miles a year... so we should revisit this conversation in about 25 years.

by then, my mp3 player will also be outdated. i really have no idea how this conversation jumps from racing heritage, to alms, to dirt on the race track, to plasma liners.


until then, i anticipate a lot of spirited driving.

maybe after that, i'll give it to my kid, and buy an r39.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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maybe after that, i'll give it to my kid, and buy an r39.
Poor kid.

My kid will get my GT3 and meet your kid out on the track for the "vintage" races. Hopefully they will have a lot of fun, maybe a few beers, and laugh at how their fathers took this all too seriously. I'm glad that we can afford these cars, race them, and can discuss all of it like adults.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Z07
I never claimed to be an expert, I'm just expressing an opinion from a bystander's point of view. I can't see why you're taking it so personally. I've praised the Porsche GT1, there is nothing anti-Porsche about my expressed sentiments. It's only due to HC's insecurity that this has turned into a Japan vs Porsche bum-fight. My comments were focused solely on the current LMP classes.

Strength in standing for what you cant figure out for yourself and not be told by others can often be misinterpreted by the weak as an insecurity. There is nothing to be insecure about, I dont own an TT or Z06 and you dont own a Z06, and it wouldnt matter either way if we met on the track, there is nothing for me to be insecure about.

BTW I am not the one trolling other forums to try and convince the public which is the better car. When I joined NAGTROC it was to dispell rumors such as the 7:15 ring times and other 10000 ignoramus statements by fanboys. Followed my statements with facts and figures.

You joined here because of my posts on a different GT-R forum, so just maybe what you think of me is actually what you are. Seeing as many people on the GT-R forum dont even like you and told me to put you on ignore.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 03:01 PM
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I'm not 100% sure either. I don't know if foreign cars are banned from GT500 completely, or if they don't allow them to undergo the extensive bodywork their Japanese counterpart receives.
I believe you're right. In 2005 the GT500 had the MclarenF1, Ferrari 550, and Lambo Murcielago. But it seems like in '06 they did away with that and left it strictly Japanese in the GT500 category. But foreign cars are still allowed in the GT300.
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SportLux
I believe you're right. In 2005 the GT500 had the MclarenF1, Ferrari 550, and Lambo Murcielago. But it seems like in '06 they did away with that and left it strictly Japanese in the GT500 category. But foreign cars are still allowed in the GT300.
That really is a shame. It would be sweet to see Ferraris and Lamborghini with racing bodywork duking it out with the NSXs and GTRs.

I wish they would show some of the races over here. The ballast system they have going on there makes the races much more interesting.
 

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That really is a shame. It would be sweet to see Ferraris and Lamborghini with racing bodywork duking it out with the NSXs and GTRs. But I suppose you

I wish they would show some of the races over here. The ballast system they have going on there makes the races much more interesting.
Yea, sadly the coverage in the US is very limited...but at least I was privileged enough to get a taste of it when they had the GT Live event here in California at the Fontana Speedway back in 2004.
 
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Take it as entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1bvT69W_V4

Comments from the video:

"GTR is faster around turn and are able to carry more speed through. But other cars pull on GTR on straight."

They also said LP640's brakes started to fade after a few laps.
 

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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jasperg35
i'll let you know about the liner when i get to over 100,000 miles. how about that? i average 4k miles a year... so we should revisit this conversation in about 25 years.

by then, my mp3 player will also be outdated. i really have no idea how this conversation jumps from racing heritage, to alms, to dirt on the race track, to plasma liners.


until then, i anticipate a lot of spirited driving.

maybe after that, i'll give it to my kid, and buy an r39.
You sure you ever looked into a 911T? Which year? Did you mean an 08/09 997TT? You come on as a possible onlooker for information about a 997TT(assumed) but it seems you have had sub-par experience with your 996 C2 and then you go on a rant about the Nissan history and then now to a definate GT-R purchase. It is okay to have said that from the start instead of edging your way into a full blown nissan history post. I would call you a TROLL...

With 4 posts or so you sure didn't care enough about your 996 C2 to ask questions about it or even "*****" about the sub-par experience yet you would sign up to read about the 997TT and not ask any questions. You then head right into Porsche lost another sale to nissan. Another TROLL comment in my opinion.

So your experience with your sub-par 996 C2 has lead you to buy the GT-R? So Nissan never built a car that people would consider sub-par or had sub-par experience? So I guess you shouldn't be buying a Nissan either.

blah blah blah.....
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jasperg35
i'll let you know about the liner when i get to over 100,000 miles. how about that? i average 4k miles a year... so we should revisit this conversation in about 25 years.
With all due respect to whoever you are, I doubt that I will remember you in two weeks let alone 25 years.

In view of how little you intend to drive your impending purchase, you'd be more suited to a stylish and reliable supercar...maybe a 996tt or ferrari 360 if your budget can stretch that far.

Otherwise, before you've put 10,000km on it, it will no longer be the performance icon it is at the moment, and it will still look the same.

And, I like the GTR!
 
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i dunno. i just dunno about this.
 


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