Is it worth to get a turbo s over a turbo?
#46
To me, the upside of any 911 is that it draws very little to no attention. We agree all 991 are getting costly, they are billing us for all the R&D. . Unless one enjoy the attention, the Italia is unrealistic as a DD. From the few times I test drove the 997 TurboS, I find the 458 more comfortable.
I don't think the Gallardo has the same level of performance of a TTS or 458 though? But agree for the money the 458 has the TTs's measure and more particularly in physicality. Thats where the Aston also falls short bc it would be much the same performance of the C4s I think. Porsche has sadly lost a lot of its previous exclusivity unfortunately and i think for such huge dollars it needs to have a level of exclusivity befitting the price tag. I also think that's where the Ferrari and Aston really has it.
Last edited by speed21; 09-07-2013 at 12:51 PM.
#48
^ LOL.
The only real problem with owning a turbo is that it totally ruins you from going back. I'm sure that going back to a 400hp car would only leave me disappointed, dissatisfied and reminiscing the days when I had more. I think the only way forward now is to go up in power...not back.
The only real problem with owning a turbo is that it totally ruins you from going back. I'm sure that going back to a 400hp car would only leave me disappointed, dissatisfied and reminiscing the days when I had more. I think the only way forward now is to go up in power...not back.
#49
So you have better comfort, but how about power on demand in situations where you need the low end torque to slip through gaps that would otherwise require a lot of fuss with high revs and noise? Does it have the same pull as a tts in those situations? How about visibility out of the car?
#50
^ LOL.
The only real problem with owning a turbo is that it totally ruins you from going back. I'm sure that going back to a 400hp car would only leave me disappointed, dissatisfied and reminiscing the days when I had more. I think the only way forward now is to go up in power...not back.
The only real problem with owning a turbo is that it totally ruins you from going back. I'm sure that going back to a 400hp car would only leave me disappointed, dissatisfied and reminiscing the days when I had more. I think the only way forward now is to go up in power...not back.
#51
Agree it is a lot of money for a car that essentially draws little attention and is very similar to outgoing models to the mainstream general public. I'm in much the same position in Aus with this ridiculous pricing dilemma, and as a new TTs is not really that much less than a near new 458 it's something i will need to evaluate soon. There is no mistaking the 458 is a sensational looking car with performance similar to a TTS. How do you find the Italia? Attention aside would you say the 458 can be driven as a DD it in the same way as a PT without additional compromise?
As far as power goes, I took it out with a friend who drove his 997 turbo. I can say that I could keep up with him during a very high blast drive, but it's not like I could kill the turbo. But the 458 offers a much more emotional drive, and that is the main difference, plus show off attention getting extreme looks. It also consumes more gas.
Last edited by aamersa; 09-07-2013 at 02:15 PM.
#52
On the 997 the difference between the turbo and turbo s outside of various options being included at a savings was the tune/software. Hence you could achieve the same performance of a turbo s with a turbo with after market tune costing about 2-3k.
Is it confirmed to be different on the 991? ie are there physical differences providing the added power or is it software again? in which case the hp/torque should not be the deciding factor when choosing between the turbo and turbo s (outside of warranty concerns).
Is it confirmed to be different on the 991? ie are there physical differences providing the added power or is it software again? in which case the hp/torque should not be the deciding factor when choosing between the turbo and turbo s (outside of warranty concerns).
#53
One of the main difference is buying options at a package deal, or pick you own
#54
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#55
So what does porsche use for their shocks? Probably as someone stated above maybe the only benefit of the turbo is I won't be overly paranoid parking in lots like I am now just because to everyone else it looks like a boxter or a cheaper 911 lol.
Idk the aston martin and even more so the viper spurs more emotions for me. The porsche makes me feel like the way it performs. Cold, mechanical, scalpel. I don't see much emotion in the car.
Idk the aston martin and even more so the viper spurs more emotions for me. The porsche makes me feel like the way it performs. Cold, mechanical, scalpel. I don't see much emotion in the car.
#56
So what does porsche use for their shocks? Probably as someone stated above maybe the only benefit of the turbo is I won't be overly paranoid parking in lots like I am now just because to everyone else it looks like a boxter or a cheaper 911 lol.
Idk the aston martin and even more so the viper spurs more emotions for me. The porsche makes me feel like the way it performs. Cold, mechanical, scalpel. I don't see much emotion in the car.
Idk the aston martin and even more so the viper spurs more emotions for me. The porsche makes me feel like the way it performs. Cold, mechanical, scalpel. I don't see much emotion in the car.
Otherwise if looking for a more emotional experience, you may look at ferrari, lambo or reluctantly even aston.
#57
Porsche does make clinical, no-nonsense killer machines, which some may consider cold. The ferrari ceo for example compared german cars to freezers (though more reliable). But that is probably unfair. The most emotional car porsche produces is the GT3, and well worth considering if you can handle its fixed racer boy spoiler and are willing to give up some luxury comforts.
Otherwise if looking for a more emotional experience, you may look at ferrari, lambo or reluctantly even aston.
Otherwise if looking for a more emotional experience, you may look at ferrari, lambo or reluctantly even aston.
But yea most german cars have no soul. I mean the carrera GT is the exception. Maybe when I finally drive the turbo I will change my mind. But if it is only a faster c4s I am not really pulled to it nor impressed.
#58
Can't get ferrari or lamborghini unless it is 2008-2009 and I like a warranty on my exotics.
But yea most german cars have no soul. I mean the carrera GT is the exception. Maybe when I finally drive the turbo I will change my mind. But if it is only a faster c4s I am not really pulled to it nor impressed.
But yea most german cars have no soul. I mean the carrera GT is the exception. Maybe when I finally drive the turbo I will change my mind. But if it is only a faster c4s I am not really pulled to it nor impressed.
#60
Agree it is a lot of money for a car that essentially draws little attention and is very similar to outgoing models to the mainstream general public. I'm in much the same position in Aus with this ridiculous pricing dilemma, and as a new TTs is not really that much less than a near new 458 it's something i will need to evaluate soon. There is no mistaking the 458 is a sensational looking car with performance similar to a TTS. How do you find the Italia? Attention aside would you say the 458 can be driven as a DD it in the same way as a PT without additional compromise?
But maybe its just Hong Kong where there is a 458 almost around every corner, the 458 really haven't gotten the attention I was expecting!!!
So far, I find it very capable as a DD, especially now that Ferrari is also using DCT. It will be replacing my ageing GTR as my new DD, which originally I plan to order a 991 GT3 for that task.