So you have better comfort, but how about power on demand in situations where you need the low end torque to slip through gaps that would otherwise require a lot of fuss with high revs and noise? Does it have the same pull as a tts in those situations? How about visibility out of the car?

I don't think the Gallardo has the same level of performance of a TTS or 458 though? But agree for the money the 458 has the TTs's measure and more particularly in physicality. Thats where the Aston also falls short bc it would be much the same performance of the C4s I think. Porsche has sadly lost a lot of its previous exclusivity unfortunately and i think for such huge dollars it needs to have a level of exclusivity befitting the price tag. I also think that's where the Ferrari and Aston really has it.

 

I think 200 HP is plenty as a DD, what does one do with the rest?

 

^ LOL.
The only real problem with owning a turbo is that it totally ruins you from going back. I'm sure that going back to a 400hp car would only leave me disappointed, dissatisfied and reminiscing the days when I had more. I think the only way forward now is to go up in power...not back.

 

I like comfort, sign of aging... without any tt/ttS in the garage before, the few short test drive simply isn't enough for for me to have any in-depth knowledge. I do prefer the visibility of 991, but confidence with 458 as well. I see your point about the fuss with hi-revs and noise, I enjoy that on any spirited weekend drive. But as a DD, I don't see that happening. The NA v8 is simply amazing at any speed, the power is very linear, it just keep on giving till you crash.

 

Ha ha ha. I guess "more is more". I was thrilled by the second gen Lexus GS400 with 300 HP back in the days, but that was a long time ago...

 

I have owned the 458 for just 3 weeks and already have 2000 kms on it by DD. Also take it out for thrill drives. Yes, it can be driven daily though the Cali is a more practical DD car. The 458 is comfortable enough, it's just the attention it gets and worries about parking it in public places when away from home. Most of that may only be psychological depending on where you live. The 458 is very wide compared to 911 so you need a nice open parking spot. Also coming from the 911, the 458 feels like a big car when driving.

As far as power goes, I took it out with a friend who drove his 997 turbo. I can say that I could keep up with him during a very high blast drive, but it's not like I could kill the turbo. But the 458 offers a much more emotional drive, and that is the main difference, plus show off attention getting extreme looks. It also consumes more gas.

 

On the 997 the difference between the turbo and turbo s outside of various options being included at a savings was the tune/software. Hence you could achieve the same performance of a turbo s with a turbo with after market tune costing about 2-3k.

Is it confirmed to be different on the 991? ie are there physical differences providing the added power or is it software again? in which case the hp/torque should not be the deciding factor when choosing between the turbo and turbo s (outside of warranty concerns).

 

One of the main difference is buying options at a package deal, or pick you own

 

No, I believe only the Ferraris, Vettes, R8, and a few Caddys have this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagneRide

 

So what does porsche use for their shocks? Probably as someone stated above maybe the only benefit of the turbo is I won't be overly paranoid parking in lots like I am now just because to everyone else it looks like a boxter or a cheaper 911 lol.

Idk the aston martin and even more so the viper spurs more emotions for me. The porsche makes me feel like the way it performs. Cold, mechanical, scalpel. I don't see much emotion in the car.

 

Porsche does make clinical, no-nonsense killer machines, which some may consider cold. The ferrari ceo for example compared german cars to freezers (though more reliable). But that is probably unfair. The most emotional car porsche produces is the GT3, and well worth considering if you can handle its fixed racer boy spoiler and are willing to give up some luxury comforts.

Otherwise if looking for a more emotional experience, you may look at ferrari, lambo or reluctantly even aston.

 

Can't get ferrari or lamborghini unless it is 2008-2009 and I like a warranty on my exotics.

But yea most german cars have no soul. I mean the carrera GT is the exception. Maybe when I finally drive the turbo I will change my mind. But if it is only a faster c4s I am not really pulled to it nor impressed.

 

Obviously what someone considers "soul" is very subjective, but in all likelihood if you didn't like the 991 C4S, you won't like the turbo. It'll basically be a faster, better handling (RWS) version of that. Why not get a 430 w/ an extended warranty? Or a scud for a few bucks more? Don't get me wrong, Astons are great looking and sounding cars, but you're giving up a lot of performance for that. And seeing that grill on all the new fords would drive me insane if I drove an Aston!

 

let me get that correct ... some 1 here Saying !!!!!!!!! that porsche 911 has no soul ???!!!!!!???????????????

 

I've only gotten my 458 for about 2 weeks, so haven't really drove it much yet. Mostly just regular driving in town. I'll probably be swapping my GTR's China license plate on it next month and will finally have a chance to really open it up!

But maybe its just Hong Kong where there is a 458 almost around every corner, the 458 really haven't gotten the attention I was expecting!!!

So far, I find it very capable as a DD, especially now that Ferrari is also using DCT. It will be replacing my ageing GTR as my new DD, which originally I plan to order a 991 GT3 for that task.