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Installed Antilaser Radar and Laser Jammer - 911 Turbo S

Deleted and no longer advising anyone to buy the NetRadar. The laser jammer product is great. However the Net Radar product has been disappointing:

1) The lockouts feature is pathetic. It barely works and you have to lock out the same source multiple times from different directions. In addition there is no auto lockout, and while he does have a feature that blocks all K band alerts along a route, that feature will unlock the same ones it blocked if you drive the same route twice. This is very poor design. Valentine, Escort, and Stinger all have a functional auto lockout function, Net Radar does not.

2) The entire system is highly dependent on using a phone app: You need to use a phone to be able to access lockouts as well as detailed visual alerts because there is no display. However if you use a phone then it won't send alerts to the external speaker, only to the phone's speaker which isn't loud enough for a performance car. This has been an issue for a while and several people have raised it but he just sweeps it under the carpet. Again this shouldn't be complicated - Escort and Valentine know how to use both a system external speaker and a phone speaker at same time, why can't Net Radar?

3) For Android users there is no option of HFP alerts (using Bluetooth protocol to simulate a call over car speakers). This is an Android limitation but it underscores the idiocy of not enabling simultaneous use of the external speaker with the phone speaker.

4) He sold people front and rear antennas since June, but he hasn't issued an update for the Arrows. So when you encounter a radar threat it alerts forever because it can't filter it out once you pass it since it isn't assessing direction, and you can't tell if you passed it because no arrows. Part of the problem here is also structural. The company making the radar (Net Radar) and the company making the Antilaser platform are different companies. So Net Radar has insufficient control over prioritizing the development agenda for the ALP App which is needed to deliver the full functionality of their product - this is probably why the arrows missed their original delivery date and the company hasn't announced a revised delivery date for this feature.

5) The range isn't exactly spectacular. In fact it is usually the weakest of the installed detectors. Look at the attached chart and you will see what I mean. It is beaten by Stinger, 9500CI, STIR+ and Radenso HD+. When you consider the escort is a 9 year old product, this is unimpressive.



The issue is the owner of Net Electronics who is also the US distributor of Antilaser is a guy who doesn't accept feedback. If you look at most forum posts, where someone raises an issue, his response is often to convince them there is no issue or to say the issue is unimportant and not worth prioritizing. My personal feeling is been that he:
1) Takes the position that he is always right and the customer is always wrong whenever you attempt to give feedback. For instance to have smart control of the system (e.g. Lockouts) you need a phone interface. But if you use Android you can't use an external speaker which makes alerts impossible to hear if your playing music. It you use iOS you will find the support is limited and updates are lagged by a few months.
2) He doesn't prioritize the radar product development relative to the lidar which means the NetRadar feels like an unsupported product. While the underlying issue may be he has difficulty influencing Antilaser's app development I find that he himself seems to downplay the priority of radar updates.
3) He is downright abrasive. When I raised issues with the product he instructed moderators on the radar forum to shut down my feedback. I assume he has the moderators on his side due to financial incentives such as product discounts. However this behavior in itself underscores his contempt for customers.
4) BTW He had a conflict with the owners of 6Speed because when he was a sponsor he didn't want to respond to PMs. In the end he ended up dropping 6Speed sponsorship because he wouldn't accept the rules.
 

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Nice write up, thank you for sharing. Few questions:

How old is your Passport system?
Have you ever used the Escort Laser Shifters? (I've heard nothing but outstanding reviews)
How involved is the Antilaser install?
Lastly, what did it cost you all in?

I use a window mounted Max360, which works flawlessly and has the directional arrows. I assume Escort will integrate the arrows with their 9500Cl system so I'm holding off on purchasing it until then.

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Nice write up, thank you for sharing. Few questions:
How old is your Passport system?

I have had several of them in different cars - 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2014.

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Have you ever used the Escort Laser Shifters? (I've heard nothing but outstanding reviews)
The original Escort shifters (ZR4) were very poor. I had them on a Lexus in 2009 and they wouldn't jam anything below 1000ft. I replaced them.

The latest Escort shifters (Laser Shifter Pro) is better, but it cannot jam the latest guns that some police departments are using, and the company that Escort licensed them from is no longer updating the product so basically I would avoid these at this point.

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How involved is the Antilaser install?
Similar to a 9500ci install, slightly more work. Took the shop 2 days, but thats largely because of the custom made brackets and display mount plus I also had them put in a hidden GPS tracker for the car. Otherwise it would have been one day.

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Lastly, what did it cost you all in?
About $4000.

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I use a window mounted Max360, which works flawlessly and has the directional arrows. I assume Escort will integrate the arrows with their 9500Cl system so I'm holding off on purchasing it until then.
TIA!
As far as I am aware - and I have asked - Escort has no plans to update the 9500ci. They are finding it more profitable to launch windshield units, and they are integrating with Cobra who acquired them - and the merger offers synergies in windshield unit R&D.

Further - as you know these days everything is about software and apps, and technology is constantly evolving. What I like about Antilaser is they issue a software update every couple of months with new functionality and ability to jam new products. They recognize this is an arms race.

Escort's last firmware update was in January 2015, in that same timeframe Antilaser has had 16 updates. And the updates are also a lot easier to install to (Antilaser: Simply press a button on the phone app; Escort: download to a PC, transfer to a USB stick, then dig out the CPU behind your dash and plug in the USB stick, power on, wait, etc.). Asa result of lack of updates, not only has Escort fallen behind in laser jamming, but they also cannot filter out BSM/ACC systems.

There's also quality issues. While the Max 360 is a pretty good product, their custom installed products are really poor. You get occasional check receiver wiring messages even though wiring is fine, sometimes the CPU needs replacing because it burns out, and it can be erratic in responding to radar because it is fully analog.
 
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stealth.pilot: Did you install the rear radar antenna? If so where, I only see the two ALP Lidar sensors? Can you post a picture?

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stealth.pilot: Did you install the rear radar antenna? If so where, I only see the two ALP Lidar sensors? Can you post a picture?

Thanks,
The rear radar antenna is hidden. It is under the rear wing assembly and above the driver's side rear tail light. Behind the bumper. My paint is non metallic so there should be no performance impact in this location.
 
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Looks like a solid install. Almost identical in placement to mine which tested JTG on everything.

Enjoy!
 
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Love the install. I just had the exact same system installed minus the permanent android phone. Just picked it up this afternoon. Haven't had an opportunity to test it yet.
 
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I'm having this same setup installed in my wife's Tesla Model X next week. Does the GPS feature of the radar detector lock-out false alarms automatically, or do you actually need to lock them out manually?

I have the AL Priority and Bel STI-R in my other cars. Automatic false lockout is a great feature, but i am not loving the constant K-band warning anytime i am within 20 feet of an Acura or Audi
 
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I'm having this same setup installed in my wife's Tesla Model X next week. Does the GPS feature of the radar detector lock-out false alarms automatically, or do you actually need to lock them out manually?

I have the AL Priority and Bel STI-R in my other cars. Automatic false lockout is a great feature, but i am not loving the constant K-band warning anytime i am within 20 feet of an Acura or Audi
Using the Antilaser USA Net Radar Antenna solves the issue you are having.

Escort has sat on their ***** doing nothing about blind spot monitor and active cruise radar.
 

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Love the install. I just had the exact same system installed minus the permanent android phone. Just picked it up this afternoon. Haven't had an opportunity to test it yet.
Yes I saw your post on the other site asking for someone to test in NJ.
 
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[QUOTE=stealth.pilot;4531553]My driving license is very important to me because I LOVE driving my Porsche. So naturally I always have the very best radar and laser defense systems on my car. From my perspective, my 911 Turbo S is my Stealth Fighter for the road.

On my previous cars I had been using the Escort 9500ci/Bel STIR+ radar detector along with Antilaser Priority laser jammers. The Antilaser was always brilliant, but the Escort/Bel detector was always very disappointing - unreliable, constantly prone to false alerts from BSM/ACC systems, lacking in sensitivity on K band, lacking directional alerts, etc. Escort has done no innovation on this product since 2008. So it was time for a change.

Antilaser Priority USA (ALP USA) just released a new radar antenna that plugs straight into the Antilaser Priority jamming system, and which has a ton of cool features. So this is now an integrated laser jamming and radar system like the Escort 9500ci or the Stinger VIP - except it is better than the Escort at everything and better than the Stinger at laser jamming.

THE SETUP
  • 5 Antilaser Priority Jamming Heads - 3 Front, 2 Rear
  • Front Net Radar by Antilaser USA
  • Rear Net Radar by Antilaser USA
  • Dedicated Android Display custom mounted on overhead console
  • Hi-Fi Module
  • Bluetooth Module
  • GPS Antenna
  • Easily accessible USB port

KEY SPECS
  • Front and Rear radar antennas. This system supports up to three radar antennas. I have setup front and rear antennas. It can also support an MRCD/MRCT antenna if you live in a country where they are rolling this out - which means its future proof. The display does not currently show arrows- but this is expected in an update in the fall so this will have arrow-based directional alerts like the V1.
  • Superior range and sensitivity. Antilaser USA engineered this product for maximum sensitivity and early warnings. And it shows. It typically will detect ahead of a 9500ci based on the testing I have seen, and on my initial user experience.
  • The most effective filtering of BSM/ACC (blind spot/cruise control radar) available today. The manufacturers literally tested every make and model of car available to identify the exact radar signature of their car and then programmed the product to block them out. There is only one model it doesn't filter - a few model years of the Chevy Traverse/Buick Enclave which happen to use the same radar signature as the cops. While driving with this new system the past few days I have not had a single false radar alerts from another car.
  • GPS based filtering of false alerts. This radar allows you to block out known false alerts using GPS. But it does have one further advantage which is that you can see the alerts you blocked out on a map and edit them if you want. Further it only blocks a narrow section along the road you are traveling versus the 9500ci blocks a large radius. This means it is unlikely to block out a real radar (which is a risk with the Escort/Bel system).
  • The best laser jammers on the market. Testing has shown this system crushes Stinger and others on laser jamming and this is the most critical feature.
  • Dedicated Touchscreen Display for Radar & Laser alerts. They have an Android app which if installed on a dedicated phone, can be mounted as a permanent display. Mine is setup so when you turn on the car the display turns on and displays the Antilaser App, and when you turn the car off the display also turns off. The display shows detailed information on the alerts - type of threat, direction (for laser and soon also for radar), frequency, signal strength, etc. You also use the touchscreen to mute, stop jamming, or block out a false radar signal. You can also use this phone/display to do software updates, so you don't need to go download stuff to a USB and then hunt for the port like with the Escort/Bel products. Plus since the display is an android phone, I can also run Waze or Escort live in the background for crowd-sourced police warnings if I want that.

The installation work was superb. It really blends into the car very well.

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS
Exceeding expectations on all dimensions. Jammers are flawless as tested by my own Lidar gun. The radar is also a huge step up from the Escort/Bel in terms of overall performance - range, sensitivity, displayed information, and level of control and customization. I have found the radar to be the quietest one around town too - after blocking out the door openers, this system is super quiet thanks to the advanced BSM/ACC filtering.

Great write up and very informative. I want to install the same system as well, but want a reputable shop that has experience installing the AL Priority system. Do you know of any shops in S. Cali that is equipped to handle the installation?

Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.
 
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stealth.pilot, are you affiliated with the company in any way? Not a bad thing if you are, I'm just curious how you're so informed. I'm interested in this option now, glad you made this post. I was set on Escort before seeing this.
 
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stealth.pilot, are you affiliated with the company in any way? Not a bad thing if you are, I'm just curious how you're so informed. I'm interested in this option now, glad you made this post. I was set on Escort before seeing this.
No not affiliated. Just follow the forums, ask questions and am a detail oriented person.

I started some research in January into this space because I didn't want my next car to have an Escort product after I had to have those replaced twice under warranty on my M5. So I looked into 3 other products - Radenso, Stinger and this one. I choose this one mainly because it offered bulletproof laser defense and a very good radar with the best BSM/ACC filter. The Stinger was my second choice but while stinger had the longest range on the radar, it seemed like the laser Jammers were a bit dubious based on forum feedback and to me this was a deal breaker. Radenso was radar only and didn't seem like a fully baked solution.
 

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Great write up and very informative. I want to install the same system as well, but want a reputable shop that has experience installing the AL Priority system. Do you know of any shops in S. Cali that is equipped to handle the installation?

Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.
You should ask Tom Milone at BestRadarDetectors.net he's the distributor for Antilaser and would be able to recommend a dealer. Also you can ask people at rdforum.org
 
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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot View Post
Using the Antilaser USA Net Radar Antenna solves the issue you are having.

Escort has sat on their ***** doing nothing about blind spot monitor and active cruise radar.

Antilaser literally went and gathered the radar signatures of all these BSM/ACC radar systems from other cars and then built a filter logic for each one. It is by far the best at filtering these things out - and yes it does filter Acura and Audi.
Totally with you on the filtering from other cars. But on the GPS feature - will it know to ignore the speed limit/reading display without me having to push a lock-out button? With the Bel - if I pass the same signal in the same place 3 times in a row, it assumes that it is a false and will then ignore it.
 

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