Dilemma - 991.1 Turbo S or 991.2 Turbo Non-S

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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 12:52 PM
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The head/injectors/fuel makes no difference unless you are pushing the envelope with power mods.
I couldn't tell the difference with the antilag.
Chassis isn't different, there are some very small bushing hardness differences.
Steering is the same - see above. (there is some difference but not) (the steering wheel is a relatively easy bolt on swap - just slightly expensive due to needing a new airbag - but I agree, the newer wheel is definitely nicer, and the dial is much easier to reach rather than fumbling for the Sport or Sport Plus buttons on the console)
The tailights/rear bumper and front bumper are slightly changed. Rear decklid is worse looking to me.
The .2 does not have a lower ride height as far as I know. I'm interested to hear evidence to the contrary, but even side by side there is no apparent difference.
Good point about PSM - PDK programming is different on the .2 as well, which makes Sport Plus much more "useable" in normal driving.

I don't see many cases where the front axle lift is necessary due to the retracting front spoiler, unless you're going to lower the car.
 
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 02:22 PM
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Buddy, you're kidding yourself. The 991.2 will be dated some day too but that doesn't mean those differences mean nothing. Most of the extra power and the better fuel economy comes from the head and fuel system updates. The spring rates were massaged and the car is (from the SPEC I read) 0.4" lower. The differences are subtle but they are definitely there. I can feel them right away. The steering was revised and feels more direct. You say that anti-lag doesn't feel different to you but then go on to say that Sport+ mode is much different which is a complete reversal, since that's where anti-lag is felt. Having the larger turbos and revised head is why the tuned 991.2 is pushing a safe 625whp on just pump fuel and stock turbochargers.

You say a lot of subjective things here, and not much that is objective. I don't mean to be confrontational... but I didn't start that. Stock to stock, the 991.2 is an objectively better car, whether it's worth the money differential TO YOU or not is another subject. We'd be doing the OP a bad turn by not pointing out the differences and what they mean.

Pretty soon the 992 will be out and I'm sure that we'll both be wondering if we *subjectively* need the new car or not. But objectively, it will undoubtably have advancements... whether we feel them worth the money or not.
 

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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 03:15 PM
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The spring rates were massaged and the car is (from the SPEC I read) 0.4" lower.

Having the larger turbos and revised head is why the tuned 991.2 is pushing a safe 625whp on just pump fuel and stock turbochargers.
I didn't mean to be confrontational, I was genuinely looking for more data and it seems I ruffled your feathers. No, the spring rates were changed. But, ride height did not. Height is 61.1" as per Porsche for the 2018 Turbo S and 61.0" for the 2015 Turbo S. (with the PASM Sport suspension, the ride height is reflected in the overall ride height of the car vs regular PASM vs non-PASM)

The larger turbos are on the S, and yes, as I said, they make a difference. In the non-S, the turbos aren't larger than the .1 and there isn't an overall power difference. With a tune, the .1 S and non S make the same power, and given the turbos in the non-S .2 are similar, I would be surprised if there was much difference. The .2 S's larger turbos do make a difference.

But, like I said, I felt like the functional differences were pretty minor, where the resale differences were huge. I think the .2 is a better car than a .1 but I chose to buy a .1 S vs a .2 non-S because the .2 S is so much more expensive right now. You made the opposite decision and I can see why one would. (I came out of a 17 C4S which I said before, and it has most, if not all, of the improvements aside from motor that the .2 Turbo has.)

Edit: just realized you had a .2 S... not a Turbo. I found the price delta to a .2 S was $30-$40k vs mine. I can see why some spend the extra money, but I wanted to be further along the depreciation curve.
 
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Thanks everyone - this is getting interesting! I appreciate the detailed explanation of the differences between the 991.1 and 991.2. I do have to take depreciation into account which makes the 991.1 Turbo S a more rational option. Also, the point that the 991.2 Non-S may get hit harder on depreciation due to different turbo chargers is a very good one. It seems that the answer is a 991.2 S! Just need the prices to come down a bit (currently seeing CPOs between 170-180). I know this is anyone's guess but Any thoughts on when the prices may drop given the coming launch of the 992 gen? Would you expect any significant drop in the next 6 months or is a drop in prices really 1-2 years away when the new 992 turbo is officially out?
 
Old Feb 8, 2018 | 11:34 AM
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the 991.1 Turbo S rushed down to $130-$140k pretty quickly, 2 years after release. (in 2016, the early 2014 cars were already there) There were heavy discounts available on new cars as well.

Porsche is making a LOT less .2 Turbos. I'm definitely predicting that value stays stronger on the .2, which will in turn keep the .1 from falling as far. We'll see. None of these are going to appreciate, but I would guess that the .2 are $145-$155k CPO when the 992 is released, and the 992 turbo will likely trail that by 2-4 quarters, so figure the .2 will be 2-3 years old by that time.
 
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kitw - thanks for the response. I will repost this new question as a new thread. By the way, what info do you have to suggest that Porsche made a lot less .2 Turbos?
 
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