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Interesting discussion about car prestige. I don't really fault people for choosing a car which projects status, since that appears to be a natural thing, but I personally try to achieve a sense of self-acceptance which is tied more to my personal relationships and my participation in society, rather than material markers of status. That's partly because the latter isn't generally a direct reflection of the former, and I think the former matters more. As far as I can tell, we go through this journey of life only once, and it's over pretty quickly. Gotta try to make the journey meaningful.
Agree -- Our society often tends to greatly focus on achievement , fame, or material wealth --yet one can find many in that category who are not happy.Some may even claim that they "live well" yet they are miserable. Little attention is directed to the independent and inner development that one can achieve correlated with time .
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Agreed .
There also is a huge difference between thse two statements :
1) I spent 300K on a Ferrari/Porsche / etc because it's the best and the fastest .
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2) I spent 300K on a Ferari/ Porsche/etc and BTW did you see that GTR fly by . Oh gee money is even flying out his window .
There also is a huge difference between thse two statements :
1) I spent 300K on a Ferrari/Porsche / etc because it's the best and the fastest .
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2) I spent 300K on a Ferari/ Porsche/etc and BTW did you see that GTR fly by . Oh gee money is even flying out his window .
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
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I highly doubt the guy who is in the 300k car really cares as he could have easily bought several GT-R's for what he paid for the Ferrari/Porsche.
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
The GTR data can not simply be dismissed . That includes not just the performance ,,, but the price to obtain it .. as well as the list of cars priced higher ( total cost of ownership) which do not offer the ENTIRE package .
It's not that the GTR is great .. because i have voiced doubts with it too .
It's that the GTR is an eyeopener.
If you think that someone spends 300K on a Ferrari to stroke his ego and lose in the basic category by which these cars are defined ... then that is a contradiction .
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I highly doubt the guy who is in the 300k car really cares as he could have easily bought several GT-R's for what he paid for the Ferrari/Porsche.
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
Never truer words spoken HC.
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I highly doubt the guy who is in the 300k car really cares as he could have easily bought several GT-R's for what he paid for the Ferrari/Porsche.
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
If he does care, and didn't know what would happen when he bought the car, that guys just clueless and not an enthusiast. And likely the same guy who's been getting his behind handed to him by Corvette's and Vipers for decades.
Cars faster than 911's have been around for a long time.
You continue to act as if performance is the only thing that makes one want to buy a car, as if no other factors are involved. How many tracks have you been to, what's your best ET, lap time, or do you just like imaginary scenarios based on bench racing and use those to buy your next car and assume everyone else needs to do the same?
This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
Brand snobbery should be expected in a Porsche forum. It's where people with a passion for Porsche's (even overly so sometimes) might tend to be. GT-R fanboys have other places to unite.
Get's old people who like Porsche's for whatever reason being ridiculed for not liking a GT-R, automatically branded badge ****** for not buying a GT-R since it ran a lap .3 seconds faster as if that's all that matters in purchasing a car.
Porsche Badge ****** Unite!!!!!
Point I've been making all along.
Seems to fall on deaf ears though...
Rep points for you.
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A "performance car" is defined by that attitbute .
The GTR data can not simply be dismissed . That includes not just the performance ,,, but the price to obtain it .. as well as the list of cars priced higher ( total cost of ownership) which do not offer the ENTIRE package .
It's not that the GTR is great .. because i have voiced doubts with it too .
It's that the GTR is an eyeopener.
If you think that someone spends 300K on a Ferrari to stroke his ego and lose in the basic category by which these cars are defined ... then that is a contradiction .
The GTR data can not simply be dismissed . That includes not just the performance ,,, but the price to obtain it .. as well as the list of cars priced higher ( total cost of ownership) which do not offer the ENTIRE package .
It's not that the GTR is great .. because i have voiced doubts with it too .
It's that the GTR is an eyeopener.
If you think that someone spends 300K on a Ferrari to stroke his ego and lose in the basic category by which these cars are defined ... then that is a contradiction .
A performance car is not defined purely by its performance alone. Sure performance is important but a performance car has to have other things working in concert. I can own a Nissan whenever i want but (so far) it just doesn't do it for me even though it may be quicker in certain circumstances. You could swap the badges around and it still wouldn't matter. The car is simply weak in certain areas that matter to me. This isn't to say i would never buy one. But at this stage i would prefer to hold onto what i have until i have all options in front of me to consider.
The GTR is also no "eyeopener". It's been long known the car can match or better many P cars....so no surprises there. Again, it misses a lot of marks for me. Maybe if i was 25 and was into drag racing everyone at every set of traffic lights i may be prepared to make certain compromises but at my stage in life i like/expect/demand the car to drive a certain way. The Nissan is still a bit of a blunt instrument in my books. I could spell out the areas in which i am unhappy but based on history that would only result in anguish and retorts. But to each his own. If you can afford to make a choice buy what you want and be happy with it.
Btw on the Ferrari and ego stroking i don't agree. Sure there are posers but not everyone is like that. A Ferrari is a beautiful work of art on wheels that happens to really perform as well. A 458 italia for e.g. is simply stunning. The look and feel of that car stirs emotions in a way no GTR ever could. Just because a GTR can give it trouble at half/third the price is absolutely meaningless. Again swap the badges and it would be the same result for me. I'd take the Nissan badged 458 every day of the week. Only problem is Nissan can't make a car like that least of all for the price of a GTR. Same applies to the Porsche. There is just so much more to the car not only emotionally but quality wise.
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This is a Porsche forum, no one should have to justify why they spent 120k on a 991 vs 100k on a GT-R, frankly because the majority of people made the same decision, and this is where said person belongs. Porsche obviously has more to offer, and not just prestige because they can sell more of each of 18 different variants of 911 than Nissan can sell GT-R's during a recession, for more money.
That said .. this current duo .. the 991 and the 13 GTR area very diffwerent match up than the 72K 09 GTR and the 97K 997S or even the 130K Turbo . It was a different time period . That was then and this is now .
Lastly.. this is a Porsche forum but many here have more than one car. Some like myself would have one of each .. I plan to keep my 997tt. I also woild consider a cayenne if looking for an SUV (which i am not) , a Boxster (if i like two seater cabs .. which i don't) , or any other model Porsche which currently impresses me .
You claimed that the 997 was a "996.5" and I disagree .
I think the 991 is not enough of a step to demand the extra premium . I also feel the technology which has become so important in these modsern cars will become dated quickly , and at 130K a pop I don't like the luxury interior in what i feel ought to be a more edgy sport coupe.
Above are merely opinions .. but the test data are facts .. and so is the price .. so are some of the problems of BOTH.
At least i can see BOTH the positives and negatives . in each .
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No doubt the GTR is one fast machine. But as with most Japanese cars, it has no soul. The overall styling is confusing at best/ If they put that drive train in a Z body car then they would have something that looked as fast as it is. Fortunately Porsche has not lost its soul (yet).
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The GTR can be quite easily dismissed if it doesn't meet your personal expectations. Price is important but it's not everything.
A performance car is not defined purely by its performance alone. Sure performance is important but a performance car has to have other things working in concert. I can own a Nissan whenever i want but (so far) it just doesn't do it for me even though it may be quicker in certain circumstances. You could swap the badges around and it still wouldn't matter. The car is simply weak in certain areas that matter to me. This isn't to say i would never buy one. But at this stage i would prefer to hold onto what i have until i have all options in front of me to consider.
The GTR is also no "eyeopener". It's been long known the car can match or better many P cars....so no surprises there. Again, it misses a lot of marks for me. Maybe if i was 25 and was into drag racing everyone at every set of traffic lights i may be prepared to make certain compromises but at my stage in life i like/expect/demand the car to drive a certain way. The Nissan is still a bit of a blunt instrument in my books. I could spell out the areas in which i am unhappy but based on history that would only result in anguish and retorts. But to each his own. If you can afford to make a choice buy what you want and be happy with it.
Btw on the Ferrari and ego stroking i don't agree. Sure there are posers but not everyone is like that. A Ferrari is a beautiful work of art on wheels that happens to really perform as well. A 458 italia for e.g. is simply stunning. The look and feel of that car stirs emotions in a way no GTR ever could. Just because a GTR can give it trouble at half/third the price is absolutely meaningless. Again swap the badges and it would be the same result for me. I'd take the Nissan badged 458 every day of the week. Only problem is Nissan can't make a car like that least of all for the price of a GTR. Same applies to the Porsche. There is just so much more to the car not only emotionally but quality wise.
A performance car is not defined purely by its performance alone. Sure performance is important but a performance car has to have other things working in concert. I can own a Nissan whenever i want but (so far) it just doesn't do it for me even though it may be quicker in certain circumstances. You could swap the badges around and it still wouldn't matter. The car is simply weak in certain areas that matter to me. This isn't to say i would never buy one. But at this stage i would prefer to hold onto what i have until i have all options in front of me to consider.
The GTR is also no "eyeopener". It's been long known the car can match or better many P cars....so no surprises there. Again, it misses a lot of marks for me. Maybe if i was 25 and was into drag racing everyone at every set of traffic lights i may be prepared to make certain compromises but at my stage in life i like/expect/demand the car to drive a certain way. The Nissan is still a bit of a blunt instrument in my books. I could spell out the areas in which i am unhappy but based on history that would only result in anguish and retorts. But to each his own. If you can afford to make a choice buy what you want and be happy with it.
Btw on the Ferrari and ego stroking i don't agree. Sure there are posers but not everyone is like that. A Ferrari is a beautiful work of art on wheels that happens to really perform as well. A 458 italia for e.g. is simply stunning. The look and feel of that car stirs emotions in a way no GTR ever could. Just because a GTR can give it trouble at half/third the price is absolutely meaningless. Again swap the badges and it would be the same result for me. I'd take the Nissan badged 458 every day of the week. Only problem is Nissan can't make a car like that least of all for the price of a GTR. Same applies to the Porsche. There is just so much more to the car not only emotionally but quality wise.
I even agree that there are some areas where the Nissan will not meet expectations .. but it will not be in the category of performance numbers .. and to me .. that's a big deal .
If i wanted an expensive piece of art I could buy a painting with the money saved over buying a Ferrari to sit next to the GTR.
To say that performance is not important in a forum where 1/4 mile , track data , standing mile . etc contests are discussed makes no sense to me .
I also understand that the matchup between the GTR and Porsche has been lively for several years but this is a new GTR and a new 991.
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I happen to agree with keeping the Turbo .
I even agree that there are some areas where the Nissan will not meet expectations .. but it will not be in the category of performance numbers .. and to me .. that's a big deal .
If i wanted an expensive piece of art I could buy a painting with the money saved over buying a Ferrari to sit next to the GTR.
To say that performance is not important in a forum where 1/4 mile , track data , standing mile . etc contests are discussed makes no sense to me .
I also understand that the matchup between the GTR and Porsche has been lively for several years but this is a new GTR and a new 991.
I even agree that there are some areas where the Nissan will not meet expectations .. but it will not be in the category of performance numbers .. and to me .. that's a big deal .
If i wanted an expensive piece of art I could buy a painting with the money saved over buying a Ferrari to sit next to the GTR.
To say that performance is not important in a forum where 1/4 mile , track data , standing mile . etc contests are discussed makes no sense to me .
I also understand that the matchup between the GTR and Porsche has been lively for several years but this is a new GTR and a new 991.
Infact maybe shake all the Porsches. Because if the ART component is better enjoyed on the wall then the Turbo won't go on the wall. JK...but you know what i mean
. There are reasons why people buy performance cars and its not just purely about performance numbers larry. Because if it is they all should just invest in a top fueler drag car and be done with it.And re the forum where 1/4 mile and track data is king, then if what you say is true then all those other non turbo P cars, Astons and so on so forth should be best moved off the board as they are never going to come within spitting distance of the turbo cars.
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No doubt the GTR is one fast machine. But as with most Japanese cars, it has no soul. The overall styling is confusing at best/ If they put that drive train in a Z body car then they would have something that looked as fast as it is. Fortunately Porsche has not lost its soul (yet).
And on the "soul" definitely not lost. It's all intact on my accounts anyway.
Even if it could be opined by the purists 991's soul has been somewhat diminished, at least Porsche had a soul (and some) to lose to begin with
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Then if it's a big enough deal then you should seriously consider selling the turbo because the 2013 GTR would own it on performance alone.
Infact maybe shake all the Porsches. Because if the ART component is better enjoyed on the wall then the Turbo won't go on the wall. JK...but you know what i mean. There are reasons why people buy performance cars and its not just purely about performance numbers larry. Because if it is they all should just invest in a top fueler drag car and be done with it.
And re the forum where 1/4 mile and track data is king, then if what you say is true then all those other non turbo P cars, Astons and so on so forth should be best moved off the board as they are never going to come within spitting distance of the turbo cars.
Infact maybe shake all the Porsches. Because if the ART component is better enjoyed on the wall then the Turbo won't go on the wall. JK...but you know what i mean
. There are reasons why people buy performance cars and its not just purely about performance numbers larry. Because if it is they all should just invest in a top fueler drag car and be done with it.And re the forum where 1/4 mile and track data is king, then if what you say is true then all those other non turbo P cars, Astons and so on so forth should be best moved off the board as they are never going to come within spitting distance of the turbo cars.
I had hoped that the 991tt would be my next car but it may not be.
I don't think the GTR will be either .. but am not sure.
I keep saying that the strengths of one reveal the weak areas of the other .. and the result is a stalemate = NO CAR .. keep the current one .
On this you and i agree .
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The GTR would beat the Turbo in just about every constest except the straight line and only because my Turbo is highly modified . a modded GTR would win . I realize that .
I had hoped that the 991tt would be my next car but it may not be.
I don't think the GTR will be either .. but am not sure.
I keep saying that the strengths of one reveal the weak areas of the other .. and the result is a stalemate = NO CAR .. keep the current one .
On this you and i agree .
I had hoped that the 991tt would be my next car but it may not be.
I don't think the GTR will be either .. but am not sure.
I keep saying that the strengths of one reveal the weak areas of the other .. and the result is a stalemate = NO CAR .. keep the current one .
On this you and i agree .
Btw on your modded turbo its a toughy to say whether if it would wind up being used as traction in a stock 2013 drag. Just look at the outcomes of stock turbo S's vs some of the heavily modded turbos. Mainly from the get go tho. It sure is fast out of a dig. There is no doubt the new 2013 is a formidable opponent for the 997tt modded or stock. If you can get over the looks and the other issues it'd be the pick performance wise. Drive it if you can. You never know, it may even ride better than your modded car stock.
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That's correct. 3 seconds is huge on this track. Here's a list of the top 30 lap times, which includes the new times from the GT-R and 991:
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008), Great Britain (2896 m)
Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 1:13.60 142 0 455 / 650
2. Caparo T1 1:14.80 139 '07 583 / 575
3. Ariel Atom 500 V8 1:17.70 134 '10 481 / 550 Roger Green
4. KTM X-Bow R 1:19.20 132 '11 304 / 855 Roger Green
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:19.30 131 '09 570 / 1485
6. Gumpert Apollo Sport 1:19.40 131 '07 700 / 1200
7. Caterham Super Seven RST V8-Levante 1:19.60 131 '08 507 / 520
8. McLaren MP4-12C 1:19.60 131 '10 600 / 1434
9. Porsche 911 GT2 RS 1:19.90 130 '10 620 / 1370
10. Nissan GT-R 1:20.10 130 '12 550 / 1736 Tiff Needell
11. Caterham R500 1:20.20 130 '08 263 / 506
12. McLaren MP4-12C 1:20.60 129 '10 600 / 1434
13. Noble M600 1:20.80 129 '09 659 / 1277
14. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 1:21.00 129 '11 500 / 1360 Roger Green
15. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 1:21.30 128 '09 670 / 1664
16. KTM X-Bow 300 bhp 1:21.47 128 '09 300 / 790 Roger Green
17. Ariel Atom 3 1:21.50 128 '08 300 / 456
18. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 1:21.70 128 '07 510 / 1402
19. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1:21.90 127 '10 450 / 1400
20. Brooke Double R 320 1:22.50 126 '07 320 / 550
21. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 1:22.50 126 '08 560 / 1530
22. Porsche 911 Carrera S 1:22.80 126 '11 400 / 1415 Tiff Needell
23. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:22.93 126 '06 640 / 1805
24. Porsche Carrera GT 1:23.30 125 '03 612 / 1380
25. Porsche 911 GT3 1:23.30 125 '09 435 / 1376
26. Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni 1:23.40 125 '09 551 / 1500 EVO
27. Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24 1:23.41 125 '06 415 / 1330 Darren Turner
28. Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:23.41 125 '10 530 / 1585
29. Porsche 911 GT2 1:23.50 125 '07 530 / 1440
30. Nissan GT-R 1:23.60 125 '08 479 / 1740
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008), Great Britain (2896 m)
Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 1:13.60 142 0 455 / 650
2. Caparo T1 1:14.80 139 '07 583 / 575
3. Ariel Atom 500 V8 1:17.70 134 '10 481 / 550 Roger Green
4. KTM X-Bow R 1:19.20 132 '11 304 / 855 Roger Green
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:19.30 131 '09 570 / 1485
6. Gumpert Apollo Sport 1:19.40 131 '07 700 / 1200
7. Caterham Super Seven RST V8-Levante 1:19.60 131 '08 507 / 520
8. McLaren MP4-12C 1:19.60 131 '10 600 / 1434
9. Porsche 911 GT2 RS 1:19.90 130 '10 620 / 1370
10. Nissan GT-R 1:20.10 130 '12 550 / 1736 Tiff Needell
11. Caterham R500 1:20.20 130 '08 263 / 506
12. McLaren MP4-12C 1:20.60 129 '10 600 / 1434
13. Noble M600 1:20.80 129 '09 659 / 1277
14. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 1:21.00 129 '11 500 / 1360 Roger Green
15. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 1:21.30 128 '09 670 / 1664
16. KTM X-Bow 300 bhp 1:21.47 128 '09 300 / 790 Roger Green
17. Ariel Atom 3 1:21.50 128 '08 300 / 456
18. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 1:21.70 128 '07 510 / 1402
19. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1:21.90 127 '10 450 / 1400
20. Brooke Double R 320 1:22.50 126 '07 320 / 550
21. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 1:22.50 126 '08 560 / 1530
22. Porsche 911 Carrera S 1:22.80 126 '11 400 / 1415 Tiff Needell
23. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:22.93 126 '06 640 / 1805
24. Porsche Carrera GT 1:23.30 125 '03 612 / 1380
25. Porsche 911 GT3 1:23.30 125 '09 435 / 1376
26. Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni 1:23.40 125 '09 551 / 1500 EVO
27. Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24 1:23.41 125 '06 415 / 1330 Darren Turner
28. Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:23.41 125 '10 530 / 1585
29. Porsche 911 GT2 1:23.50 125 '07 530 / 1440
30. Nissan GT-R 1:23.60 125 '08 479 / 1740
The 2012/13 car IS an improved GTR .
The current matchup pits the same car names .. but they are not the same cars .
Last edited by yrralis1; Apr 8, 2012 at 12:41 AM.
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Like yourself I'm not sure either. As unlikely as it would be I've learned to never say never.
Btw on your modded turbo its a toughy to say whether if it would wind up being used as traction in a stock 2013 drag. Just look at the outcomes of stock turbo S's vs some of the heavily modded turbos. Mainly from the get go tho. It sure is fast out of a dig. There is no doubt the new 2013 is a formidable opponent for the 997tt modded or stock. If you can get over the looks and the other issues it'd be the pick performance wise. Drive it if you can. You never know, it may even ride better than your modded car stock.
Btw on your modded turbo its a toughy to say whether if it would wind up being used as traction in a stock 2013 drag. Just look at the outcomes of stock turbo S's vs some of the heavily modded turbos. Mainly from the get go tho. It sure is fast out of a dig. There is no doubt the new 2013 is a formidable opponent for the 997tt modded or stock. If you can get over the looks and the other issues it'd be the pick performance wise. Drive it if you can. You never know, it may even ride better than your modded car stock.
However a stock Turbo S vs a stock 07 Turbo is not even close .. the PDK Turbo S will cream it .