I welcome this rumor.

 

As I said before, AG991. There is nothing in the current 991's that I am even remotely fancying. Keep my options open for the G & T versions next year. In the meantime... enjoy your new ride. But do mind those over-revs when you row that 7 speed slush box !!

 

That wors for me!

 

I realize that "every day the value of 997 decreases and will cost more to get into 991" but I cancelled my 991C2- first C2 coming into dealer. It was black on black, with 20" wheels, 7 sp MT, sunroof, sports chrono, heated/cooled seats...................................sticking with my 09 997, all murdered out, tubi exhaust, 19" S wheels, powder coated black, PDK, sports chrono, nicer sunroof than 991, clear bra.............................getting shark werks type 1 spoiler and upper valense installed next week............At 10,500 miles, not willing to get into 991 that doesn't knock me out..........

 

I don't think this financial argument flies anyway. The depreciation rate on a new car is higher than a used one, so the loss in the first year with a 991 will be greater than the loss in the same year with an older 997. Seems to me that best value is to buy a good CPO and hang on to it for a long time.

Also, I still think that the 997 has the potential to become known as "the last true 911" among enough people to hold its value better than most cars, as has been the case with the 993.

 

Oh Manifold, there you go again!. "The last true 911". Really. while you were clear that it was your opinion, thanks for that, it is that suggestion that the 991 is smoehow less worthy of the name tht gets me. The best 911, a more "classic" 911, a more desirable collectors car, a car that holds its value better - I can except any of these opinions or predictions. I don't agree, although, with many of them, history will tell. But they are all legitimate opinions and predictions.

Total 911 recently did an article where they said "the [ ] all-new 911 introduced all-new driving dynamics. Foolproof was in, sophistication was in, refinement was in: the rawness (and quirks) of classic models was all very obviously dial led out. The normality of the drive was complimented by an interior that, compared to [ the previous model ], was like an executive car. It was slightly unnerving."

Sounds a lot like your comparison of the 991 to the 996/997. But it wasn't. The "previous model" was the 993. They were talking about the 996.

And yet no one is saying that the 996 is not a true 911. I wish you would stop suggesting that about the 991.

 

I think you missed my point. I was saying that enough people (besides me) - ie, the market - may consider the 997 the last true 911, thus helping it hold its value. You're right that it's a prediction, and time will tell.

Coincidentally, I was in the bookstore last night and ran across the current issue of Total 911. I plan to read it this weekend; based on my perusal I did notice that they like the 991 in their comparison test, but the same issue also has an article raising the question of whether the 991 is "a step too far".

 

You are correct - that it had an article that said that.

Also, I do owe you an apology for something I said in another thread a while ago. I just helped a friend buy a 2006 C2S cab. He got a great deal on a beautiful car in wonderful condition. Parked nose to nose with mine the 991 is noticeably bigger (longer) and beefier - while, at the same time being a bit lowered, sleeker and more menacing, IMO. I did not think that a few inches would be that noticeable, and it is not except when side by side (or nose to nose). You were correct...about that

 

I read that article and it concludes that: "Porsche could have got it wrong, could have made it anything but a 911. Indeed, with the Panamera interior, many feared it had. No such fear. This remains the real deal."

ChuckJ

 

Why yes, yes it did. Thanks for reminding me!

 

No doubt that people may share your opinion but, as AG's post suggests, many other people consider the 993 the last true 911 while another group feels the same about the pre-1990 classics. Whether the value of the 997 will be materially impacted may take a long time to determine. Remember, there are lots of them out there.

IMO, one thing that will protect the 997's value in the short term is the exterior styling similarity with the new car. While the sharp eyed Porsche experts on this board can spot numerous differences, I don't think that a casual observer can tell one from the other on the street. If the 991 had made a significant departure from the 997 lines, it would have made the 997 appear much more dated and, perhaps, less valuable.

 

The size increase from the 997 to the 991 has never been a significant issue for me, since I'm more concerned with driving dynamics and other things.

 

Ok..getting back to the cars..( I personally don't care forthe true 911 debate)

The more I read personal reviews the more I think the key is not getting the PDCC if you want to fell more connected to the car.

Now AG, I said more connected. Not that having PDCC doesn't connect you at all.

Manifold,

Get a base, manual, 991 with PASM, add the GT2 seats and I think we are their.

The GT3 seats in put in my 997 are the single best option I added to feel the dynamics off the car.

I see you can get the gt2 seats or similar with the cayman r but not with the 991. At least when using the configurator.

That seems like poor planning.

 

I'm still looking into it and may change my view, but my current thinking is that it may be reasonable to divide the 911 into three generations (rather than seven):

- All of them up to the 993
- 996 and 997
- 991

I won't be surprised if the next 911 is different enough to represent a truly new generation, with about 100" wheelbase, 2" wider tracks, more even weight distribution, and hardly any rear-engine feel at all. But by then comparisons with the original 911 may seem like a moot point, so 'true 911' will be redefined. I see the 991 as a transition to that car, holding on to some of the classic 911 look and feel, but pointing fervently in a new direction.

 

Why bother with PASM? To me, the passive suspension seemed comfy enough for the road and stiff enough for the track, and likely feels more natural than PASM.