Kids love the Mustangs. Get a "Five-oh" and she'll allow you to drop her off at school anytime.

 

buy 997 Turbo and experience speed and excelleration that will never stop promise

 

And impress them with a rear tire burnout at the light anytime, just don't try to explain to them it happens because of the bad tires and poor F/R weight distribution.

 

Very true about the power kit. But what is more, it adds little in low end torque. I have a 991S and a 7 year old Mustang GT (4.6 liter with some mods - most notably a 4:10 gear). I thought that it was just the fact that my Mustang is sooo torquie - it was set up that way, but unless you push it and are at least in sports mode, the lack of low end torque is noticable to me too.

I set up my Mustang to beat anyone to 35 mph - most of the time that is as fast as I get to go. And I now find the fact that the Porsche, or any car, can go faster than 150 mph to be virtually meaningless as you can never go that fast. The most that we normally get to go is maybe 80 mph, so getting there quickly is a bigger deal.

Don't get me wrong, I love the 991. I had a 997.s and I prefer the 991 (but that is me, reasonable minds can differ). If the power package offered the low end torque, I would be saving my lunch money. I will go drive the turbo when it comes out and I am sure of two things: I will love it and the wife will not just say no, she will say HE-double hockey sticks NO. I appreciate you comments and I don't think it is you or, with respect to other, that the car is so stable and good. It just means you are a torque junky with a beautiful car that does not float your boat. I agree with Buckwheat - for you, something else may be better. I liked the idea someone had about an older turbo - you get the torque and the asthetic. Best of luck whatever you do.

 

"If the power package offered the low end torque, I would be saving my lunch money."



For a NA engine, as the old saying goes there is no replacement for displacement. a 3.4 liter engine will never have anywhere near the low end torque that a larger V8 can deliver. That is just a plain fact. The porsche HP numbers for these smaller 3.4 liter engines are made up on the top end of the RPM range. IMO you can blame the MPG and emission requirements that are forcing porsche to go with these smaller more efficient engines but unfortunately we lose that low end power that we all love, especially when we accelerate in first and second gear at low rpms

We're all impressed by HP numbers, but we drive torque. And real low end accessible torque is IMO what brings the thrill to driving a super car on the street

Pretty much the only way to make up for this lack luster feel is by turbo charging the 3.4L engine. We'll see how the factory 991 turbo feels out of the gate, hopefully it will deliver the thrill we expect. My experience with the 997 Turbo is that it has lots and lots of torque (500+ ft-lbs), but I found the low end to be too timid below 3000 rpm. Fortunately a tune is all that is required to wake up the low end power and make it accessible from the low 2000 rpm range all the way to redline. A tuned 997 turbo with a free flowing exhaust is truly insane

The 991 is a great car, but for those who want raw power with accessible low end torque, then a 997 turbo (tuned + exhaust preferred) is an excellent alternative

 

I have a 991S Cab X51 incoming in 10 days or so. I also have a 996 TT Cab that has had mods done. There is no doubt in my mind the TT will be faster, have better low end pull and higher top speed. It won't ride as nice nor will it handle as well. Yes the mods on the TT include PSS 10's and more.

John in Vancouver

 

Smaller, lighter, high HP non FI cars are not low rpm torque monsters. For example a 458 makes 398 at 6K, Gallardo 398 at 6.5k and a 911S 326 at 5.6k.

 

I agree, but mine is a 991S and I feel the same way with a 3.8l. It is not a 4.6 v8 or the new 5.0 v8 offered in the new Mustang. And, I can't emphasis this enough, the 4:10 geat and what it did for low end torque. It ruins you at the top end, but, how often do I get overy 100?

Again, I love both cars and I love my 991S. And when you stand on the 991S, or you put it into Sport Plus, it goes like you know what. But in normal mode - a pinto would beat it.

 

Ain't that some $h@t. Here's a song that fits the situation:
You know this guy? anyways, sell that mother.... Buy a BMW perhaps? lol My under 4 second S feels slow, too. Anyone selling a G6 jet? Call me.

 

Yup, if you drive slow it doesn't go fast.

 

And here I thought the whole point of the matter was to let my passenger feel the car is going super slow (while going xyz mph) so there wouldn't be any "drive slower!!!!" complaints.

But back to the OP... This lack of torque has been on my mind too, and do wonder what would've happened if they had kept the 3.6 on the 991 - The official EPA gas mileage isn't that different on the base 991 and 997 so the fuel economy point may be moot.

 

Are you me?? Exactly what I feel. I came from a 2000 BMW e46 (323Ci). I like my engines with 6 Cylinders, lined up flat or inline, and naturally aspirated. There is a special place in heaven for a nice natural power band.

 

I drive a Toyata Corolla 2004 until my C4S shows up in may-June......you wanna switch till then?

Promise ill give it back

 

Indeed, I am new to flat 6, but a good N/A I6 is one sweet smooth rev happy engine deserves its own place. The notion that a 2.0T gets better mpg is not even proven. In the last batch of 528s they used the 3.0 I6s with 8spd, got 32mpg highway. That was for one heavy car. The new 528 with the 2.0T has pretty much the same mpg, when all the other eco measures such as auto stop and start added.

Speaking of CAFE standard, one may argue it has a significant impact on more "luxury exclusive" manufactures like BMW and Benz. They don't make mainstream high mpg cars in volume, need cars like the 3 series and C class to meet the mpg.

Porsche does not have this issue, as part of VW Group, they move more than enough high mpg Jettas to meet CAFE. I think part of the appeal of Porsche is the smaller flat 6s to keep the weight and center of gravity down, and make faster time than those V8s, V10s or even V12s.

 

So in other words, the 991 base is optimized for hardcore driving on twisty roads, not drag racing down Main Street. Solid. Right on. Dig it. Worth every penny in the hands of a capable driver.