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No offense and no intention of bragging about my own driver education and experience in many countries, but I'm convinced we don't have the same car. I'm too lazy to type more; wish Gary was still around. Best of luck with your gearing issues. You should get rid of the machine.
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No offense and no intention of bragging about my own driver education and experience in many countries, but I'm convinced we don't have the same car. I'm too lazy to type more. Wish Gary was still around. Best of luck with your gearing issues. You should get rid of the machine.
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No offense and no intention of bragging about my own driver education and experience in many countries, but I'm convinced we don't have the same car. I'm too lazy to type more; wish Gary was still around. Best of luck with your gearing issues. You should get rid of the machine.
Because these models sell, I tend to believe that MANY others agree with the OP.
There are some that feel the stock level of torque from the Turbo is not sufficient, but there are plenty of tuners and therapy sessions available for them.
(Maybe I'm misreading your 'tone')
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This thread is very interesting, especially reading the various experiences from folks who own the same car
I've owned big V8s, smaller high revving 6s and most recently a 997TT
In my experience a big V8 with a broad torque curve is a blast to drive on the street. Endless power from 1500 rpm to redline. However when I had my high revving E46 M3 I had to keep the RPMs above 4000 to really feel the power but I enjoyed it just the same.
I think most folks who are unhappy with the 3.4 991 are probably short shifting, meaning shifting from 1st to 2nd much too early. You have to keep the RPMs up if you want to pull hard in 2nd and 3rd. preferably only shift into 2nd and 3rd when you can keep your revs above 4k. Otherwise you'll shift into 2nd at ~2500 rpm, mash the pedal and go nowhere. You can get away with this if you have a large V8 under the good but a 3.4L 6 will not be happy
I've owned big V8s, smaller high revving 6s and most recently a 997TT
In my experience a big V8 with a broad torque curve is a blast to drive on the street. Endless power from 1500 rpm to redline. However when I had my high revving E46 M3 I had to keep the RPMs above 4000 to really feel the power but I enjoyed it just the same.
I think most folks who are unhappy with the 3.4 991 are probably short shifting, meaning shifting from 1st to 2nd much too early. You have to keep the RPMs up if you want to pull hard in 2nd and 3rd. preferably only shift into 2nd and 3rd when you can keep your revs above 4k. Otherwise you'll shift into 2nd at ~2500 rpm, mash the pedal and go nowhere. You can get away with this if you have a large V8 under the good but a 3.4L 6 will not be happy
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You seem bothered by what other people feel is 'enough' torque. Those who believe the same as the OP either purchase the S trim, or Turbo model.
Because these models sell, I tend to believe that MANY others agree with the OP.
There are some that feel the stock level of torque from the Turbo is not sufficient, but there are plenty of tuners and therapy sessions available for them.
(Maybe I'm misreading your 'tone')
Because these models sell, I tend to believe that MANY others agree with the OP.
There are some that feel the stock level of torque from the Turbo is not sufficient, but there are plenty of tuners and therapy sessions available for them.
(Maybe I'm misreading your 'tone')
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr:3787927
No offense and no intention of bragging about my own driver education and experience in many countries, but I'm convinced we don't have the same car. I'm too lazy to type more; wish Gary was still around. Best of luck with your gearing issues. You should get rid of the machine.
Because these models sell, I tend to believe that MANY others agree with the OP.
There are some that feel the stock level of torque from the Turbo is not sufficient, but there are plenty of tuners and therapy sessions available for them.
(Maybe I'm misreading your 'tone')
I also asked if they were driving manuals, or PDKs? No one cared to answer. I noticed the several 991 models, whether base, S that broke track records on Nurburgring, all had PDKs. Which is why I am curious to know what people's on the track experience with PDK.
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Originally Posted by VikingMariner:3787945
Perhaps I don't see it because I have the S.
Time is precious and every hundredth of a second counts. The optional Sport Chrono Package makes your driving experience priceless thanks to an even sportier tuning of throttle response and handling characteristics.
The package comprises dynamic gearbox mounts, a performance display, a digital and analogue stopwatch and the SPORT PLUS button. When this is pressed, optional Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) switches to ‘Sport’ mode for harder damping and more direct steering and therefore, even more intensive road holding.
The trigger threshold for PSM is raised. Agility is perceptibly enhanced when braking for corners with PSM, allowing even sportier braking and exit acceleration. For even greater dexterity, PSM can be set to standby while the car is still in SPORT PLUS mode. For safety, it is set to intervene automatically only when ABS assistance is required.
In conjunction with optional PDK, the Sport Chrono Package comes with two additional functions for a sporty drive that borders on a motorsport experience. The first is ‘Launch Control’, which is designed to produce a racing start.
The second function is the involving ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’. Using this, Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) is geared up for the shortest possible shift times and optimum shift points, while torque boosts during gear changes provide the maximum acceleration available. This involving experience is further enhanced by overrun downshifts and the throttle-blip function for uncompromising driving pleasure.
The package comprises dynamic gearbox mounts, a performance display, a digital and analogue stopwatch and the SPORT PLUS button. When this is pressed, optional Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) switches to ‘Sport’ mode for harder damping and more direct steering and therefore, even more intensive road holding.
The trigger threshold for PSM is raised. Agility is perceptibly enhanced when braking for corners with PSM, allowing even sportier braking and exit acceleration. For even greater dexterity, PSM can be set to standby while the car is still in SPORT PLUS mode. For safety, it is set to intervene automatically only when ABS assistance is required.
In conjunction with optional PDK, the Sport Chrono Package comes with two additional functions for a sporty drive that borders on a motorsport experience. The first is ‘Launch Control’, which is designed to produce a racing start.
The second function is the involving ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’. Using this, Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) is geared up for the shortest possible shift times and optimum shift points, while torque boosts during gear changes provide the maximum acceleration available. This involving experience is further enhanced by overrun downshifts and the throttle-blip function for uncompromising driving pleasure.
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We need to separate street experience from track experience. The OP was not complaining about his track experience, only street driving, but in the last several posts members were discussing strictly track experience, more specifically out of corners on the track.
I also asked if they were driving manuals, or PDKs? No one cared to answer. I noticed the several 991 models, whether base, S that broke track records on Nurburgring, all had PDKs. Which is why I am curious to know what people's on the track experience with PDK.
I also asked if they were driving manuals, or PDKs? No one cared to answer. I noticed the several 991 models, whether base, S that broke track records on Nurburgring, all had PDKs. Which is why I am curious to know what people's on the track experience with PDK.
No it does not have the torque of a 3.8 in the midrange, any more than the 3.8 S in comparison to a turbo charged 3 L BMW or a 5 L Vette. It was in fact not designed to, and not advertised to. It is not the car that should be an source of embarrassment.
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If one keeps the revs in the fat part of the torque curve it makes no difference in terms of manual or PDK, street or track. There is nothing slow or weak about the 3.2 relative to last years S when driven well.
No it does not have the torque of a 3.8 in the midrange, any more than the 3.8 S in comparison to a turbo charged 3 L BMW or a 5 L Vette. It was in fact not designed to, and not advertised to. It is not the car that should be an source of embarrassment.
No it does not have the torque of a 3.8 in the midrange, any more than the 3.8 S in comparison to a turbo charged 3 L BMW or a 5 L Vette. It was in fact not designed to, and not advertised to. It is not the car that should be an source of embarrassment.
Hell I (we) can find the same number of deer in southern Maryland to steer around on a few well placed roads as at Summit Point and hit all the points on the throttle and brakes early in the morning.
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I embarrassed myself today all the way to work, on a fee errands, picked up my wife and few other places. Humiliation, shame and regret. It was terrible. I almost returned home to get my van. Naaaah