Porsche 991 base at Nurburgring
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Interesting ride of a base 991 at Nurburgring. At 7:44, no wonder I don't need more than a base.
ChuckJ
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Great vid! Love the sound of that exhaust.
So some people bag on the base for being slow because it isn't a drag racer nor does it have diesel torque. A 7:44 is the same time Sport Auto did in a V10r8 and a Pagani S and faster than a 2001 GT2 and a 2004 GT3 and a bunch of other cars.
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Originally Posted by tx11
So some people bag on the base for being slow because it isn't a drag racer nor does it have diesel torque. A 7:44 is the same time Sport Auto did in a V10r8 and a Pagani S and faster than a 2001 GT2 and a 2004 GT3 and a bunch of other cars.
It seems to me that we are saddled with the history and legacy of the 60s: cheap gasoline and hugh engines. It is my impression that at a very base level we tend to evaluate cars by horsepower - the zoom and noise lens. We see cars as "worthy" only if they have the largest engine with the most horsepower and fail to consider the diminishing value of each additional unit of power - we just want more
As my car - a base - redlines - after making maximum horsepower - in second gear at around 75 mph -there are few places where I can legally exercise it.
Fantastic video, and that driver has a lot more guts than me. I don't understand why so many people get so hung up about 5 seconds or so difference in lap times around a 14 mile course. Sure, if you are in a race it matters, and I can't argue that it is a valid measure of a cars performance capabilities.
However, people don't drive the Ring daily, or any other course, unless they are a race driver or car tester. Lap times around the ring don't necessarily equate to how well a car will drive in daily use conditions that most of us drive in. Running an engine on full boil on a track doesn't tell us how well the car will respond to daily use needs such as low end torque and acceleration in traffic.
However, people don't drive the Ring daily, or any other course, unless they are a race driver or car tester. Lap times around the ring don't necessarily equate to how well a car will drive in daily use conditions that most of us drive in. Running an engine on full boil on a track doesn't tell us how well the car will respond to daily use needs such as low end torque and acceleration in traffic.
Awesome video. Nice find ChuckJ 
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I 'bag' on it, because by comparison (to other 911's) it is inferior. See Porsche 911 'S' for an example. Not even going to bring up the GT3, GT2, Turbo, or Turbo S. Originally Posted by tx11
So some people bag on the base for being slow because it isn't a drag racer nor does it have diesel torque. A 7:44 is the same time Sport Auto did in a V10r8 and a Pagani S and faster than a 2001 GT2 and a 2004 GT3 and a bunch of other cars.
The same way I'd favor the Dodge Challenger SRT-8 over the base V6. Could you get a decent time for a given track from the V6? Probably, but the SRT-8 would most likely be a little better.
The difference, for some, comes down to - is it worth it. For some, it is not. For others, it is, and they purchase something else.
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The same way I'd favor the Dodge Challenger SRT-8 over the base V6. Could you get a decent time for a given track from the V6? Probably, but the SRT-8 would most likely be a little better.
The difference, for some, comes down to - is it worth it. For some, it is not. For others, it is, and they purchase something else.
...and despite being a Porsche lover, I'd rather have the Zonda, even if it's "slower" than a 991 Carrera. Originally Posted by jaspergtr
I 'bag' on it, because by comparison (to other 911's) it is inferior. See Porsche 911 'S' for an example. Not even going to bring up the GT3, GT2, Turbo, or Turbo S. The same way I'd favor the Dodge Challenger SRT-8 over the base V6. Could you get a decent time for a given track from the V6? Probably, but the SRT-8 would most likely be a little better.
The difference, for some, comes down to - is it worth it. For some, it is not. For others, it is, and they purchase something else.
smooth run. thanks for sharing
Yeah, but building a base including the PTV and other items that are standard on an S and then getting the same options, you almost save money by getting the S. So, it's what I did. That and the base didn't get released until a few months after the S. I was too impatient to wait.
That's also how I missed out on the ducktail and the fancy Techno wheels too!
That's also how I missed out on the ducktail and the fancy Techno wheels too!
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As my car - a base - redlines - after making maximum horsepower - in second gear at around 75 mph -there are few places where I can legally exercise it.
Great point - I had a minor epiphany today along a similar line. In NJ, the only place I really get to go from 0-60+ is getting onto a highway. And I figured out today that for my C2S now, as it will be for the upcoming Turbo, and your C2, the 0-60 time in NJ getting on a highway is about 9 seconds - the exact time it takes for the P.O.S. Accord, Versa, or soccer mom in a parade float, immovably in front of you, to get to speed.Originally Posted by rnl
It seems to me that we are saddled with the history and legacy of the 60s: cheap gasoline and hugh engines. It is my impression that at a very base level we tend to evaluate cars by horsepower - the zoom and noise lens. We see cars as "worthy" only if they have the largest engine with the most horsepower and fail to consider the diminishing value of each additional unit of power - we just want moreAs my car - a base - redlines - after making maximum horsepower - in second gear at around 75 mph -there are few places where I can legally exercise it.
