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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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LOL..that sounds awesome! I'm really liking these cars a LOT.
 
Old Apr 17, 2008 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by houstonT
Dennis, seeing Scott's 60-130 time stock should inspire you to go back out and run her!
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Hey Peter...I should but this event just doesn't measure the true performance of the Z06's. It's great for the P cars and Supras. Being N/A and not being able to build boost under load, heading toward that specific mph, along with the gearing it's just not a good contender at this event.

Now from 85 to 160+... Thats where mine shines...

7.86 is DAMN impressive for a stocker...!!!
 
Old Apr 17, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ'sZ
Hey Peter...I should but this event just doesn't measure the true performance of the Z06's. It's great for the P cars and Supras. Being N/A and not being able to build boost under load, heading toward that specific mph, along with the gearing it's just not a good contender at this event.

Now from 85 to 160+... Thats where mine shines...

7.86 is DAMN impressive for a stocker...!!!
I actually think it's more suited to this event than the P-cars are. With it's linear power (at all rpms), high redline and light-weight, it really shines in this acceleration range. I believe that HP to HP, the Z06 will be quicker than a P-car in a 60-130 competition....assuming the Z isn't making so much power that all it does it spin the tires.

Higher speeds is where the Supras and P-cars shine, IMO. It takes a lot of power (provided by big turbos) to fight wind resistance and tall gears, plus they have more drag than the Z does. Also, at high speeds...weight is not nearly as important as power/TQ is (i.e., Veyron).

I think I'll be in the same 60-130 range as most of the 600+ rwhp P-cars with only a few bolt-ons on my Z06 (with less than 550 rwhp).

FYI...we P-car guys can't brake-boost like the Supra guys can. Our cars won't allow it.
 

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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Scott, how does the steering feel? Does the engine in the front make it feel numb or heavy? I might be moving to a front engine soon.
 
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Scott, how does the steering feel? Does the engine in the front make it feel numb or heavy? I might be moving to a front engine soon.
Mario,

I think it feels a bit heavy, but not really numb. Its definitely not as light as a RWD P-car's steering is.

I have heard that the 2008's have better steering feel...but I haven't driven one so I can't tell you how much of a difference there is.

So..which car are you considering?
 
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Mario,

I think it feels a bit heavy, but not really numb. Its definitely not as light as a RWD P-car's steering is.

I have heard that the 2008's have better steering feel...but I haven't driven one so I can't tell you how much of a difference there is.

So..which car are you considering?
Check it out.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...d.php?t=126839
 
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Nice! Get it, bro. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00. Buy the Viper. I'm confident that I'll own a '08 or newer Viper eventually myself.

Not sure what your plans are....but don't sell the P-car, bro. Viper's are very fun...but you WILL regret losing the GT2.

EDIT: As much as I love Viper's...if you can, at least test drive a C6 Z06 before you buy. It's much more "liveable" from day to day what I've been told. Just something to think about.
 
Old Apr 17, 2008 | 10:18 PM
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Answered in text...

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
I actually think it's more suited to this event than the P-cars are. With it's linear power (at all rpms), high redline and light-weight, it really shines in this acceleration range. I believe that HP to HP, the Z06 will be quicker than a P-car in a 60-130 competition....assuming the Z isn't making so much power that all it does it spin the tires.

Stock for stock or HP to HP your probably right...but my 60-130 time isn't near as good as many modded P-cars. Maybe they're making alot more HP than I am with slightly better traction with the weight bais over the rear. With that said I can run with and many times out run many making 100+ more HP than I am. Seems weird but they seem to shine in the 60-130 event compared to my times. Most, not all, of the higher HP P-cars only have to shift once (and I think slightly better traction) while the Z06's need to shift twice for their best times...

Higher speeds is where the Supras and P-cars shine, IMO. It takes a lot of power (provided by big turbos) to fight wind resistance and tall gears, plus they have more drag than the Z does. Also, at high speeds...weight is not nearly as important as power/TQ is (i.e., Veyron).

Tall gears in the Porsche's...? Have you stuffed yours off in 5th and 6th yet...? I wish the Z had some of the Porsche gearing...

I think I'll be in the same 60-130 range as most of the 600+ rwhp P-cars with only a few bolt-ons on my Z06 (with less than 550 rwhp).

I'm not sure about that...let me know if you can.

FYI...we P-car guys can't brake-boost like the Supra guys can. Our cars won't allow it.

I didn't know that. I figured you could at least build boost (with the motor lagging a bit) before 60 mph came up...
 

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Congrats on the Z, brutha.

I had an 06 and now have an 08. You aren't missing out on anything but the steering feel imo. I don't care for the new tranny, I really like the center console CF, I can hardly feel the shorter shifter, but I REALLY noticed the new steering column.

I have a cam, headers, CAI and a tune. Stock heads, stock TB, stock intake, and stock exhaust. My car will be dynoe'd very soon and I will let you know what it puts down. Keep in mind that my engine has 1000 miles only and the dyno is a Mustang dyno. I am not expecting more than 515 rwhp given the circumstances of the car.

Have fun with it and if you really want to start contraversy, go out and find a stock 997 TT to race. You will find yourself coming back and stating "wow, all these times, you were right, a stock Z06 is significantly faster than a stock 997 TT"..
 
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DJ'Z:

this is not meant to be argumentative but I love facts only
What specific Porsches have you "out run" (so we can figure out what actual HP they
might be), and what is said HP of your car. Dont get me wrong, I run around with
a MTI Racing Modified 07 Z (He and I both were at TX2K8), and once he figures out
his tire/traction game, his car will blow ALOT of cars away!

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Originally Posted by WOODTSTER
DJ'Z:

this is not meant to be argumentative but I love facts only
What specific Porsches have you "out run" (so we can figure out what actual HP they
might be), and what is said HP of your car. Dont get me wrong, I run around with
a MTI Racing Modified 07 Z (He and I both were at TX2K8), and once he figures out
his tire/traction game, his car will blow ALOT of cars away!

MK
I'm a fact guy too...no offense takin' what so ever. I believe I saw your car at the thursday night GTG at Romano's (Pizza place) in mid-town. I know I can run with a few of the local GT2 cars if they're not on 'KILL' (race fuel/full boost/DR's, etc) with them being around 600-650RWHP. I've raced several 'modded' Porsches since I've had the Z, mostly 997TT's. Don't know the actual HP but was told over 600. Could be some posers I don't kow.

I made a couple of passes with Sean at one of the 60-130 events (don't know what HP level he was at for that day) and stayed fairly close but had traction issues running the stock Goodyear RF's. I've raced several 650+HP and a few 700HP Vettes, Vipers and so on with great results.

If I get a chance to run around with Sean or Paulie one of these days while we're all out and about I'll have a better idea on the performace level of my car compared to they're "slightly" moddified GT2's...and how sweet they are...!! Looking forward to seeing Paulies since the latest wrench session.

My car made 543 RWHP on pump gas. I've just never had good luck in the 60-130 event compared to the slightly modded, higher HP Porsches and Supras. I do better running them side by side up to 160+. I'm just not sure why. Anyone that knows me knows I can drive a car fairly well. Maybe it was was weather, traction issues (as it did show hard spinning on each gear shift and peppering the tires hard in 3rd) plus the extra shift, giving me lower times than expected. I just figured the P-cars were better suited for that event because of better gearing, traction and attainable boost level at that particular speed. Guess I was wrong...

I've heard about the results of the TX2K8 event and agree totally with your statement...A modified Z06 is one hell of a car. I know Peter well, along with quite a few of the guys that made the events. I just wasn't able to compete in them this year. I only made a couple of the night GTG's...

Take care and hope you can make it down for the next event...
 

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My car made 543 RWHP on pump gas...
Thats with headers, mild cam, tune, and full exhaust?

Your car sounds INCREDIBLE!
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
I actually think it's more suited to this event than the P-cars are. With it's linear power (at all rpms), high redline and light-weight, it really shines in this acceleration range. I believe that HP to HP, the Z06 will be quicker than a P-car in a 60-130 competition....assuming the Z isn't making so much power that all it does it spin the tires.

Higher speeds is where the Supras and P-cars shine, IMO. It takes a lot of power (provided by big turbos) to fight wind resistance and tall gears, plus they have more drag than the Z does. Also, at high speeds...weight is not nearly as important as power/TQ is (i.e., Veyron).

I think I'll be in the same 60-130 range as most of the 600+ rwhp P-cars with only a few bolt-ons on my Z06 (with less than 550 rwhp).

FYI...we P-car guys can't brake-boost like the Supra guys can. Our cars won't allow it.
Scott -

I have to agree that a Z06 of equal power to a P-car will be faster in the 60-130. When stock - 443 RWHP - I ran Woodtsters 996TT - on low boost (something north of 500RWHP - not sure of his exact #'s). In Mexico from 2nd gear starting around 55 to 5th gear we ran nose to nose. No traction issues.

I also know that once you get the Z of 550RWHP you start to have some serious traction issues on street tires. Stomp the gas at 40mph in 2nd gear and you take off like a rocket - problem is that right about 60 mph the engine hits it powerband and the all of a sudden the back end goes out due to tires spinning.

Up to 160 mph the Z06 is able to hold its own against most cars. Put it into 5th and the Z is done. The gearing is horrible. GM has addressed this issue in the ZR1 and it will have much better gearing.
 
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Scott -

I have to agree that a Z06 of equal power to a P-car will be faster in the 60-130. When stock - 443 RWHP - I ran Woodtsters 996TT - on low boost (something north of 500RWHP - not sure of his exact #'s). In Mexico from 2nd gear starting around 55 to 5th gear we ran nose to nose. No traction issues.

I also know that once you get the Z of 550RWHP you start to have some serious traction issues on street tires. Stomp the gas at 40mph in 2nd gear and you take off like a rocket - problem is that right about 60 mph the engine hits it powerband and the all of a sudden the back end goes out due to tires spinning.
Does this include cars that are running a set of good (and wide) drag radials? I would think that with the right tires (at the right pressure), anything under 600 rwhp should up pretty well on the street.
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Does this include cars that are running a set of good (and wide) drag radials? I would think that with the right tires (at the right pressure), anything under 600 rwhp should up pretty well on the street.
I don't have any personal experience with drag radials on this set-up. It should make a big difference. I am in the process of getting a set to find out. I am trying to find the best tire I can to run on the stock wheels. Not many options on 19' rims. I do not want to buy another set of 18" rims all around just to run drag radials - I already have an extra set for the road course.

I have seen some post claiming some awesome 60' times on Hoosier R6's. I tired that in Houston at the TX2K8 event and they were worse than the PS2's for traction. Maybe I did not do a long enough burnout to get them hot enough - not sure.

Is anyone running drag radials on their Z06? I would be interested to hear some feedback on what brand and size.
 


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