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Hi. I have not read all the posts, but the car to me looks like a C2 with the turbo ducts added... In any case the time is quite fast.. Most of us know and some guess how much TIME and money it takes to make a turbo brake into the low 10s let alone 9.5s. If its a true 1/4 that time is very fast being made on an air strip. At the texas mile you burn 3&4th gears with DR on.
happy new to all, Tim
happy new to all, Tim
Bottom line:
2575 lbs.
900 rwhp
engineered by a a company with one goal in mind-going fast...
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I applaud 9ff for their achievments regardless of their reputation
Well said Jean. I am surprised at those here criticizing 9ff, rather than giving the company its due praise. They built what appears to be the fastest ¼ mile 996TT in existence. Yes, they increased the displacement of the engine. So have several folks here. Yes, they lightened the car. So have several folks here. Yes, they took certain steps solely intended to improve the ¼ mile time, even though those same tweaks arguably compromise the street-ability of the car. So have several folks here. 9ff had a goal – a really fast ¼ mile time. They achieved that goal. Some here suggest that building a car specifically for the ¼ mile is somehow unfair or cheating. Yet, many here have gone to extraordinary lengths, and spent gobs of money, primarily to improve the ¼ mile performance of their 996TTs. Some here have an insatiable desire to improve the ¼ mile stats for their cars, and to extract every tenth of a second, even when their car is already stupid fast and far beyond the point of diminishing returns. Quarter mile times have been a major focus of this forum for years, as evidenced by the pinned thread at the top of the forum. Remember all the attention and discussion when EVOMS first broke the 9 second barrier? Remember all the additional attention and praise when Mark also dipped into the 9s. These achievements did not happen by accident. Rather, a great deal of effort went into these cars. Moreover, and more importantly for this discussion, the owners of both these cars had as their goal a 9 second pass. They modified their cars with the express goal of breaking into the nines, not unlike 9ff.
There is NOTHING wrong with the foregoing. There is nothing wrong with pursing faster ¼ miles times. There is nothing wrong with taking extraordinary steps to extract a few extra tenths out of your car. There is nothing wrong with tweaking a car specifically to run faster down a ¼ mile track. My only point is that 9ff’s goal is not dissimilar to the goals of many here, and 9ff should not be criticized for pursuing (and achieving) a fast ¼ time. Yes, 9ff’s car is something of a single purpose car. On the other hand, it would not take much to return 9ff’s car to an all-purpose vehicle (e.g., slap a wing on, and remove the slicks). EVOMS and Mark both specially configured their cars for their ¼ miles runs, and those special tweaks had to be undone in order to return the car to all-purpose status. It would not have taken much for either EVO or Mark to remove their wing for their ¼ mile run (and replace it with a used, scrap NA engine lid), then slap the wing back on the next day. I suspect both EVOMS and Mark would have done it had they thought of it (and/or believed it would improve their time). Give credit to 9ff for thinking of it.
Once again, the “shop“ car excuse is also being bandied about. This is really a weak criticism. I doubt 9ff spent much more on their car than Mark has spent on his, or Joe has spent on his, or Rob has spent on his, or Alex has spent on his. Moreover, I highly doubt 9ff spent more time building their car, considering that each of the foregoing cars took over a year to build, and each of the foregoing cars has gone through several iterations and evolutions. Furthermore, whether they admit it or not, many of the fastest cars here on 6Speed have VERY close ties to their builders and, while not technically owed by the tuner, are as close to a shop car as could be without being owned by the tuner. Likewise, many of the fastest cars here are promotional vehicles for particular tuners, with corresponding quid-pro-quo.
My point is that we should be universally applauding 9ff’s achievement, just as we applaud stateside tuners for producing fast cars. Ill bet it will not be long before we see a 996TT ripping down a US ¼ mile track without a wing.
I vaguely recall seeing what was identified as a dyno graph for Alex’s car, but I definitely do not recall seeing a dyno graph for Rob’s car. When was that posted? Do you have a link? I know Rob has repeatedly posted that his car dynoed over 1,000 RWHP (and I remained silent), but I have not seen a graph verifying this impressive achievement. If I missed it, please post a link. Moreover, I have never seen any performance data for Rob’s car – not one verified time. Again, if I missed the thread, please post a link. With 1000 RWHP, he should be running low 4 second 60-130s and low 9 second ¼ mile times at over 160 mph. Is that what his car is doing? If so, that is mighty impressive!
In order for that invitation to have any merit or consequence, you would have to be willing to run your car against one of the “Euro P cars” in a verified, objective setting. Thus far, you have conveniently declined to subject your car to objective performance testing. In fact, you have showed up at at least two different performance events, but declined to run your car each time. If I had a 1000+ RWHP 996TT (your claim), I would relish the opportunity to run it and obtain objective performance data. Isn’t that what its all about. Therefore, unless and until you are willing to actually run your car in an objective performance setting, you probably should not taunt the Euro tuners and invite them to come here for a race that you yourself will not participate in.
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Craig
There is NOTHING wrong with the foregoing. There is nothing wrong with pursing faster ¼ miles times. There is nothing wrong with taking extraordinary steps to extract a few extra tenths out of your car. There is nothing wrong with tweaking a car specifically to run faster down a ¼ mile track. My only point is that 9ff’s goal is not dissimilar to the goals of many here, and 9ff should not be criticized for pursuing (and achieving) a fast ¼ time. Yes, 9ff’s car is something of a single purpose car. On the other hand, it would not take much to return 9ff’s car to an all-purpose vehicle (e.g., slap a wing on, and remove the slicks). EVOMS and Mark both specially configured their cars for their ¼ miles runs, and those special tweaks had to be undone in order to return the car to all-purpose status. It would not have taken much for either EVO or Mark to remove their wing for their ¼ mile run (and replace it with a used, scrap NA engine lid), then slap the wing back on the next day. I suspect both EVOMS and Mark would have done it had they thought of it (and/or believed it would improve their time). Give credit to 9ff for thinking of it.
Once again, the “shop“ car excuse is also being bandied about. This is really a weak criticism. I doubt 9ff spent much more on their car than Mark has spent on his, or Joe has spent on his, or Rob has spent on his, or Alex has spent on his. Moreover, I highly doubt 9ff spent more time building their car, considering that each of the foregoing cars took over a year to build, and each of the foregoing cars has gone through several iterations and evolutions. Furthermore, whether they admit it or not, many of the fastest cars here on 6Speed have VERY close ties to their builders and, while not technically owed by the tuner, are as close to a shop car as could be without being owned by the tuner. Likewise, many of the fastest cars here are promotional vehicles for particular tuners, with corresponding quid-pro-quo.
My point is that we should be universally applauding 9ff’s achievement, just as we applaud stateside tuners for producing fast cars. Ill bet it will not be long before we see a 996TT ripping down a US ¼ mile track without a wing.
I vaguely recall seeing what was identified as a dyno graph for Alex’s car, but I definitely do not recall seeing a dyno graph for Rob’s car. When was that posted? Do you have a link? I know Rob has repeatedly posted that his car dynoed over 1,000 RWHP (and I remained silent), but I have not seen a graph verifying this impressive achievement. If I missed it, please post a link. Moreover, I have never seen any performance data for Rob’s car – not one verified time. Again, if I missed the thread, please post a link. With 1000 RWHP, he should be running low 4 second 60-130s and low 9 second ¼ mile times at over 160 mph. Is that what his car is doing? If so, that is mighty impressive!
In order for that invitation to have any merit or consequence, you would have to be willing to run your car against one of the “Euro P cars” in a verified, objective setting. Thus far, you have conveniently declined to subject your car to objective performance testing. In fact, you have showed up at at least two different performance events, but declined to run your car each time. If I had a 1000+ RWHP 996TT (your claim), I would relish the opportunity to run it and obtain objective performance data. Isn’t that what its all about. Therefore, unless and until you are willing to actually run your car in an objective performance setting, you probably should not taunt the Euro tuners and invite them to come here for a race that you yourself will not participate in.
Regards,
Craig
9FF has proved alot. Evoms (shop car or not) has the best standing
quarter mile (on this side of the pond). Protomotive has built some
awfully fast cars (I have raced a couple of them, and ridden in a couple
more), but very few of the Top Dog Proto cars have actually proven themselves in a competitive environment which is not to take away from
their outright performance. I also get tired of "heresay" without actual proof of performance.
Get your cars to the TEXAS MILE guys; 0-1 Mile, the wind is not your
friend and tricky launch, superlight weight etc, will not help you much in achieving that top speed. Think of it as trap speed of a much higher order.
Hey Marty, long time no talk... lol
we forget that 9ff is a serious company turning over a few million a year if not more- one of these buiildouts usually is north of $220K plus car... With that said, tuners can and should show what they really have... thus one way is to have a shop car...
However, to ask anyone one of us that has thousands of dollars into the car to show what we really have at the Texas is a little reckless... Heck, that is the ultimate blow up mode run...
Notice how few P car tuners actually come out and even on top of that struggle getting over the 200 mile mark... after all you know... you been there....and I give you huge props...
best,
mark
we forget that 9ff is a serious company turning over a few million a year if not more- one of these buiildouts usually is north of $220K plus car... With that said, tuners can and should show what they really have... thus one way is to have a shop car...
However, to ask anyone one of us that has thousands of dollars into the car to show what we really have at the Texas is a little reckless... Heck, that is the ultimate blow up mode run...
Notice how few P car tuners actually come out and even on top of that struggle getting over the 200 mile mark... after all you know... you been there....and I give you huge props...
best,
mark
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
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yes. But more like 1300hp
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
I planned on taking my car to the mile this last time in hopes of breaking 200mph but I had a coolant hose problem 2 days before the event and decided not to mess with it because I was going to have to be a stand in for a no show. Hopefully this March I will be ready to go... Doing it all on a stock bottom end hopefully! 
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Markski, long time no see, hopefully this summer!
I have at least seen Bobby's red 993TT (It was at Proto when my car was there,
as was Divexx and Markski's cars) The red 993TT is very "badass"
Marty K.
Markski, long time no see, hopefully this summer!
I have at least seen Bobby's red 993TT (It was at Proto when my car was there,
as was Divexx and Markski's cars) The red 993TT is very "badass"
Marty K.
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Speaking of tricks.I'm going to let this cat out of the bag on this one. Another first that soon will be more common place once people realize the advantages. 
An oil pump that is on par with the GT1 pump performance wise but is a "root" (no gears) configeration. It pulls a vacuum in the case, resulting in a very nice gain of many free ponies. 
It it vastly overshadows the GT3 pump both lubricating and power wise. Imagine an oil pump that adds power to the bottom line.
Another first that soon will be more common place once people realize the advantages. An oil pump that is on par with the GT1 pump performance wise but is a "root" (no gears) configeration. It pulls a vacuum in the case, resulting in a very nice gain of many free ponies. It it vastly overshadows the GT3 pump both lubricating and power wise. Imagine an oil pump that adds power to the bottom line.
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Speaking about a trick for the big dog motors. I just have to let this cat out of the bag on this one. Again, a first that soon will be more common place once people realize the advantages. An oil pump that is on par with the GT1 pump performance wise but is a "root" (no gears) configeration. It pulls a vacuum in the case, resulting in a very nice gain of alot free ponies. It religates the GT3 pumps to the stone age both lubercating and power wise. Who ever imagined an oil pump that would add power to the bottom line.
Again, a first that soon will be more common place once people realize the advantages. An oil pump that is on par with the GT1 pump performance wise but is a "root" (no gears) configeration. It pulls a vacuum in the case, resulting in a very nice gain of alot free ponies. It religates the GT3 pumps to the stone age both lubercating and power wise. Who ever imagined an oil pump that would add power to the bottom line. 
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Joe
Thanks for the compliments, I truly appreciate the kind words. Lil bluey is a thrill! Just took her out tonight for a few runs and I think I need to change from R6 to A6 tires, need something with more grip? In third gear she will not hook at 80 mph :-( I had the tire pressure set at 15 psi, did a small burn out and still not hooking! I think Amar and Akram are working on a video with some of my runs in Mexico which includes Supercharged Vipers, Cammed tuned Vette with a 200 shot and a few more? But once again, this is a car that I built for fun so please no responses from you Craig LOL
CJV, I
Thanks for the compliments, I truly appreciate the kind words. Lil bluey is a thrill! Just took her out tonight for a few runs and I think I need to change from R6 to A6 tires, need something with more grip? In third gear she will not hook at 80 mph :-( I had the tire pressure set at 15 psi, did a small burn out and still not hooking! I think Amar and Akram are working on a video with some of my runs in Mexico which includes Supercharged Vipers, Cammed tuned Vette with a 200 shot and a few more? But once again, this is a car that I built for fun so please no responses from you Craig LOL
CJV, I