Craig
I dont think your car ever ran? Post some numbers from your piece of ****! I have raced everyone who has challenged me? Because I dont put up dyno numbers or 60 to 130 numbers is irrevelent to who I race. Seconldly, I race for fun and putting down numbers on this forum seems to add only to Jeolousy and drama... truly dont need that in my life! I have a very fun car and I hope to keep it that way.
Cheers
Robert

 

Rob, Rob Rob . . . Is that the best you can do? Rather than post performance data, you attempt to circumvent your own shortcomings by calling my car – that I sold 16 months ago – a "piece of ****."

For the record, my car was a failure . . . it never ran as fast as I hoped. I acknowledged that long ago! The best 60-130 my car ever did was in the 6s – I do not recall the precise number. I expected more. I was disappointed. Perhaps I had unrealistic expectations given that my car was a Tip. The whole process was so utterly frustrating that I gave up, threw in the towel and sold the car . . . 16 months ago. I acknowledged all of the foregoing long ago. Old news buddy . . . very old. Thus, your attempt to divert attention away from your car is misguided and ineffective.

Now, lets get back to the issue we were discussing before your transparent attempt to divert attention . . . YOUR car. Your turn Rob. Why not simply admit it. I’ll bet you have obtained 60-130 times and, like me, you were disappointed. Come clean Rob. Don’t hide behind race victories. I too raced my car countless times . . . often against very fast challengers . . . and never lost. What does that prove? Nada!!! When I strapped on a data logger and put the car to an objective test, it did not perform to my expectations. Don’t hide behind race victories Rob. Instead, put your car to a real test . . . an OBJECTIVE test. All the other high HP cars on this site have done exactly this . . . Scott, Mark, Joe, Todd Z, David K, Alex (Sharkey), Jamie, Marty, etc etc etc. Anyone claiming to have a fast, high HP car, has subjected themselves to objective verification . . . except YOU!

You claim that “putting down numbers on this forum seems to add only to Jeolousy and drama” [sic]. Are you kidding? Those who put up numbers are rewarded with praise and admiration, both for having the guts to risk objective testing and for the resulting accomplishments. When Scott, Mark, Joe, Todd, David, Jamie, Alex, Marty and others posted their objective performance results, I quickly congratulated them. I will likewise congratulate you if you have the guts to get some objective performance data.

Moreover, your claimed fear of “jealousy and drama” is disingenuous and belied by your own conduct. You have no problem repeatedly posting that your car makes over 1000 RWHP. You have no issue posting that “number” (even though you will not back it up with a dyno graph). Yet, you will not post other, more relevant numbers demonstrating actual performance results.

The time has come to put up or shut up Rob. If you do not want the “drama,” do not post that your car made 1000 RWHP. Do not claim to have a particularly powerful or fast car. However, if you continue to extol the virtues of your car and make claims regarding performance and power, you must be prepared to back them up. You can’t have it both ways, claiming greatness but declining objective verification. Your choice Rob . . . put up or shut up.

Ironically, if you read my posts carefully Rob, you will note that I have never stated that your car did not make 1000 RWHP. I have not disputed this claim. Likewise, I have never stated that your car is not fast, or not capable of outstanding performance. I have great respect for Todd K. (less so for your local guy) and I suspect your car is really damn fast. All I (and others – read above) are asking for is objective proof . . . concrete data to measure just how stellar your car is.

Why are we asking for this Rob? Why are we asking you to “prove it?” Because YOU opened the door. YOU begged the question. YOU posted that your car makes 1000 RWHP. YOU posted that you would run your car in the standing mile event, then showed up for the event but did not run. YOU posted that you would run your car in the TX2K9 events, then showed up but did not run. YOU have repeatedly stated that you would run your car in an objective performance event, and even urged others to follow suit, then YOU backed out in the end. All we are asking you to do is exactly what YOU said you would do a long time ago. All we are asking you to do is exactly what YOU have repeatedly urged others to do (when inviting them to TX2K9). YOU repeatedly urged others to do it . . . now do it yourself. Regardless of the results, I will applaud you Rob simply for having the guts to try.

Happy New Year Rob, and all the fine members of 6Speed.

Craig

 

You write beautifully Craig and have a gift for ruffling feathers....Rob, here is a joke for you: Did you hear the one about the bus full of lawyers that went over a cliff?

Know why it was a terrible tradgedy? There were three empty seats

Carry on!

 

Craig,

I still can't understand why the fact that if one of my cars isn't running doesn't bother me ......... why should it bother you? Would it make you happier if I follow your what you stated in an above post and:

1) Declare my car a failure.
2) Become utterly frustrated.
3) Give up.
4) Throw in the towel.
5) Sell my car.

My rods bent approx. 56 months ago, February 2004 to be exact. We have been working on and in some instances changing our work. We have shared much of what we have done. Again, why does that bother you? It doesn't bother me.

I don't really agree with your statement that "Perhaps I had unrealistic expectations given that my car was a tip." Yes, your expectations were high, but was your car being a tip your reason for your disappointment? Remember when you posted how many hp your car produced? Remember how you listed each part you added and how many hp each part would add? I remember you telling us you could not dyno the car because it was a TIP. I honestly believe you didn't make these numbers up yourself, you were probably innocently repeating what someone else was telling you not realizing the true performance of the turbo's you were utilizing. There were other telltales, however this was probably the most glaring.

I also remember discretely telling you that despite all the parts you listed, your turbo's could not physically come close to producing the hp you were claiming. You can't add up the hp advertised for each part and expect to come up with a whole. The motor can't flow any more air than the weakest flow part. It appears you took what was meant to be help as an affront as evidenced by your constant kind words toward me since then.

As for the other two individuals that you have chosen to apply dry sarcasm to, I personally have no issue with their numbers as Todd has spoken to me about their cars and frankly that is more than good enough for me. In my opinion, their cars are amount the fastest on the board. Yes, I would love to see more information, times and numbers, however I respect their decision and appreciate what they have shared. I find absolutely no reason for ridicule.

 

Hold your horses Chad. Your ongoing project does not “bother me” one iota, and I am glad that you did not give up like me. My comment about the completion date for your car was made in jest. I apologize if it offended you. That certainly was not my intent. Given the extraordinary course that your project has taken over the past 5 years, you have to have a sense of humor about it.

Your snide comment about me giving up is misplaced . Recall that, a couple of years ago, you stated with absolute conviction and certainty that you would throw in the towel, quit and moth ball your car if it was not completed by a specified date . . . that date came and went two years ago and, yet, you forged ahead. Thus, the notion of quitting is certainly not foreign to you, and you more than anyone else should be able to sympathize with someone else who does not have the staying power that you have. Keep in mind that my 996TT was my primary car and, therefore, the problems I endured had a much more direct impact on my daily life, as compared to your project and your numerous alternate vehicles. Yes, it was foolish of me to heavily modify a car that was my primary driver, but I admittedly was naïve and did not know what I was in for -- I had never modified a car before. You obviously have considerably more experience with car tuning than I.

Yes, I had naive expectations about the HP that would be generated from the individual parts I added to my car and I initially over-estimated the projected result – I even made an utterly ridiculous computation by adding HP based upon individual component parts (in retrospect, my computation was laughable). Again, this was the first car I had ever modified and I did not know better. Fortunately, folks like you, Jean, Joe, Todd, Todd, Stephen, Mark and others educated me and I learned on the job. Thank you for that. Once again, that is old news, and I admitted my naivety LONG ago (many years ago). I fell on my sword about my ill-conceived computation of HP many years ago. You don’t get any mileage from derogatory comments about naivety acknowledged long, long ago.

Yes, I initially posted that I could not dyno my car – because more than one tuner told me that a Tip could not be dynoed (I obviously have no idea, as I have never operated a dyno). Recall that Alex initially had a similar understanding about his Tip. Eventually, one of the tuners that initially told me my car could not be dynoed subsequently figured out how to dyno my car. Low and behold, my car ultimately made close to what I naively projected – I guessed 950 FWHP and it ultimately made 710 or so AWHP (I do not recall the final figure). My estimate was admittedly high, but surprisingly not that far off. Again, I was admittedly naïve, but I took direction and information from more learned individuals and corrected my mistakes.

For the record, I am anything but an authority on automotive tuning. To the contrary, I am among the most inexperienced and uninformed members of this forum. My trials and tribulations with my 996TT were eye-opening in more ways than I can recount. Frankly, I probably should never have gone down the path I did – certainly not with my primary driver. Instead, as I acknowledged and wrote about extensively long ago, I should have kept my car at a mid-power level and enjoyed it without worries. My mistake. Live and learn.

None of the foregoing is news to you Chad. You know my story all too well. Therefore, your attempt to disparage me with naïve guesstimates I made three years ago, and subsequently rescinded after learning more about tuning, are ill-conceived and beneath someone of your extraordinary intelligence and wisdom. You are better than that.

Again, I apologize if my poke about the completion date of your car offended you. It was intended as a silly joke, and nothing more.

Best regards,

Craig

Ps: I see that you are still online. I suspect you may respond to this post. My daughter is having surgery tomorrow morning and, therefore, I cannot stay awake to read your response, nor reply back to you. Likewise, I will not be available again until late tomorrow at the earliest. Therefore, I humbly and respectfully request that you not be too harsh with your rebuke. Thanks.

 

I wish there was a popcorn emoticon here. This thread is and so much ego and personal attacks makes it an internet forum classic. It started with a, crappy for some, european tuner posting the fastest times seen on a 996 car yet, and it ended with 3 year old resurrection of tuner/customer wars..

Marek kudos for all your perseverance, and for holding the 60-130 record, at least on this board!

Craig, kudos to you for your openness since we timed the 60-130 run, and sorry for ever having had a go at your HP calculation post in the early days, I never thought it could be brought up against you 2-3 years later. Don't blame others for not doing the same, people have different priorities and look at their cars in different ways and have different tolerance levels, for some, the fun is in the experimentation process like CJV and others, for others it is a straightline acceleration run. All the best for your daughter.

One thing I have learnt, I will never ever let anyone drive my car ever again!

Happy New Year 6Speeders!

 

Craig,

I appreciate your clarification. I took your prose the wrong way. Years ago I attempted to be discrete and I believed you took it as an offense when all I intended to do was help you at the time. I assumed you were still holding it against me.

I hope you will accept my apology.

I hope all turns out well for your daughter and your entire family.

Chad,

 

BTW the car was build from the silver nardo car.
The fastest before gt9.

 

As I remember this car belong to the one of the customer of 9ff. Previously same guy was running 1/4 distance in 997 cabrio (latter nardo car 380km/h) with sequential gearbox, you can see bellow. When they find out that the car is too have hi bought cheap nardo record car form guy who needs money immediately, that's the story of this car, now this is xx evolution of it. over year ago the car was running low 11s.

 

For a reason unkown to me Rob has asked me to post this graph

 

Thanks Jags, I tried 3 times to post this graph.
Robert

 

I knew it! I asked if 1009 was the number and he told me to lay off the dope.

Great numbers Rob. Is there more in her?

 

Yes, that was at 26 pounds and Akram has pushed her up to 30 pounds with out any problems so far... but my fingers are crossed as well as my toes LOL
Happy New Year
Robert

 

Rob, are the different curves different boost settings? if so what boost is that solid light blue curve that peaks around 650-700 hp?

great numbers by the way.