How good is tiptronic on the TT?
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Re: Tiptronic vs Stick..My experience
Originally posted by zed
5. The best way to drive a tip is to put it in Manual mode and change gears as if it were a manual. Easy to do and get used to. No need to look at the tach for shift points any more than the need to do so with a stick. You will shift when the engine speed feels and sounds like you should, just as you would a stick.
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5. The best way to drive a tip is to put it in Manual mode and change gears as if it were a manual. Easy to do and get used to. No need to look at the tach for shift points any more than the need to do so with a stick. You will shift when the engine speed feels and sounds like you should, just as you would a stick.
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I also feel changing gears with the tip seem totally unnecessary especially when you're slowing down in traffic. It almost feel like a redundant act when the auto tranny will do it for u.
It's like shifting just for the sake of shifting. Do u know what I mean?
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Re: Tiptronic vs Stick..My experience
Originally posted by zed
I've now had a few months on my 2004 996 Turbo with Tiptronic. My car is not a daily driver. Mostly used for weekend runs in the mountains and canyons. I am posting this to assist those who may be considering a Tiptronic, based on my own personal experience. Some things to note for those who are considering the options:
1. A tiptronic equipped car driven in automatic mode might seem boring at low speed, i.e. gentle driving...economy mode up shifts.
2. Similarly, a 6-speed equipped car might seem equally boring if shifts are made at low revs.
3. A tiptronic transmission has a torque converter and a keen ear will notice the additional slippage in power that such an automatic experiences. The engine speed will be just slightly higher than the torque converter during the shift..then it locks up.
4. The stick has no such slippage when the clutch plate is mated to the flywheel. The result is an immediate match up of revs in the flywheel and clutch plate and a keen hear will detect it and the enthusiast driver does notice the power difference at the moment of the shift.
5. The best way to drive a tip is to put it in Manual mode and change gears as if it were a manual. Easy to do and get used to. No need to look at the tach for shift points any more than the need to do so with a stick. You will shift when the engine speed feels and sounds like you should, just as you would a stick.
6. Thus far (3,000 miles) I have only driven in the Manual mode, even in traffic. Just doesn't sound right, to me, in automatic.
7. If you need maximum straight line acceleration put it in Automatic and floor the gas pedal. Shifts will occur at maximum safe revs without the need for looking at the tach. Should be wonderful performance with the available 400+ HP/Torque.
8. For mountain roads and canyon driving, the tip is a blast to drive and there is little difference in performance vs stick. In Manual mode and with aggressive use of downshifting, the car is on par with the stick.
Conclusion, and in my opinion, the Tiptronic is a great feature and results in no diminishment of driving enjoyment or performance. Having said that, however, there is something about the involvement of a stick that is appealing. It really is a toss up. IMHO.
Zed
2004 996 TT
I've now had a few months on my 2004 996 Turbo with Tiptronic. My car is not a daily driver. Mostly used for weekend runs in the mountains and canyons. I am posting this to assist those who may be considering a Tiptronic, based on my own personal experience. Some things to note for those who are considering the options:
1. A tiptronic equipped car driven in automatic mode might seem boring at low speed, i.e. gentle driving...economy mode up shifts.
2. Similarly, a 6-speed equipped car might seem equally boring if shifts are made at low revs.
3. A tiptronic transmission has a torque converter and a keen ear will notice the additional slippage in power that such an automatic experiences. The engine speed will be just slightly higher than the torque converter during the shift..then it locks up.
4. The stick has no such slippage when the clutch plate is mated to the flywheel. The result is an immediate match up of revs in the flywheel and clutch plate and a keen hear will detect it and the enthusiast driver does notice the power difference at the moment of the shift.
5. The best way to drive a tip is to put it in Manual mode and change gears as if it were a manual. Easy to do and get used to. No need to look at the tach for shift points any more than the need to do so with a stick. You will shift when the engine speed feels and sounds like you should, just as you would a stick.
6. Thus far (3,000 miles) I have only driven in the Manual mode, even in traffic. Just doesn't sound right, to me, in automatic.
7. If you need maximum straight line acceleration put it in Automatic and floor the gas pedal. Shifts will occur at maximum safe revs without the need for looking at the tach. Should be wonderful performance with the available 400+ HP/Torque.
8. For mountain roads and canyon driving, the tip is a blast to drive and there is little difference in performance vs stick. In Manual mode and with aggressive use of downshifting, the car is on par with the stick.
Conclusion, and in my opinion, the Tiptronic is a great feature and results in no diminishment of driving enjoyment or performance. Having said that, however, there is something about the involvement of a stick that is appealing. It really is a toss up. IMHO.
Zed
2004 996 TT
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Re: Re: Tiptronic vs Stick..My experience
Originally posted by collin996tt
Zed, I agree with everything you said except for point 5. I find the tip is so quiet and with the powerful torque it is difficult to sense when it's time to shift without looking at the tach.
I also feel changing gears with the tip seem totally unnecessary especially when you're slowing down in traffic. It almost feel like a redundant act when the auto tranny will do it for u.
It's like shifting just for the sake of shifting. Do u know what I mean?
Zed, I agree with everything you said except for point 5. I find the tip is so quiet and with the powerful torque it is difficult to sense when it's time to shift without looking at the tach.
I also feel changing gears with the tip seem totally unnecessary especially when you're slowing down in traffic. It almost feel like a redundant act when the auto tranny will do it for u.
It's like shifting just for the sake of shifting. Do u know what I mean?
I agree with your downshifting comment. I should have pointed out that the tip downshifts adequately in normal traffic, so no need to override there. I usually override the programmed downshifts only during spirited driving, or if I'm right next to another sports car
According to what I've read, after some period of aggressive driving even in automatic mode, the tiptronic is supposed to adapt and begin to downshift aggressively. However, until the computer can actually see that curve in the road or someone you want to pass, it won't ever be as good as your finger on the switch. Zed
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Re: Tiptronic vs Stick..My experience
Originally posted by zed
7. If you need maximum straight line acceleration put it in Automatic and floor the gas pedal. Shifts will occur at maximum safe revs without the need for looking at the tach. Should be wonderful performance with the available 400+ HP/Torque.
7. If you need maximum straight line acceleration put it in Automatic and floor the gas pedal. Shifts will occur at maximum safe revs without the need for looking at the tach. Should be wonderful performance with the available 400+ HP/Torque.
For max straight line would you downshift to first before flooring?
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Re: Re: Tiptronic vs Stick..My experience
Originally posted by alamein
For max straight line would you downshift to first before flooring?
For max straight line would you downshift to first before flooring?
Definitely. That's should give optimal performance.
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Originally posted by collin996tt
I'd prefer paddle shifters or stick shifter for the tip. The buttons are not convenient when the steering wheel is cocked near upside down.
I'd prefer paddle shifters or stick shifter for the tip. The buttons are not convenient when the steering wheel is cocked near upside down.
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Originally posted by zed
I've not driven a paddle shift nor do I shift while I'm turning. During my driving school sessions at Willow I was advised to shift going into and coming out of the corners, but not within the turn. But then again I don't drive at 10/10ths like you guys. Maybe one day...
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I've not driven a paddle shift nor do I shift while I'm turning. During my driving school sessions at Willow I was advised to shift going into and coming out of the corners, but not within the turn. But then again I don't drive at 10/10ths like you guys. Maybe one day...
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Originally posted by zed
I've not driven a paddle shift nor do I shift while I'm turning. During my driving school sessions at Willow I was advised to shift going into and coming out of the corners, but not within the turn.
Zed
I've not driven a paddle shift nor do I shift while I'm turning. During my driving school sessions at Willow I was advised to shift going into and coming out of the corners, but not within the turn.
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Originally posted by Carmel
Would you rather pilot the plane or be a passenger?
Would you rather pilot the plane or be a passenger?
Nuff said...