Stephen,

Check you email when you have a chance.

Thanks

 

Stephen, I agree with you as I would be pissed too. And you know that I am having your company do my TT Cab when it comes in. But your picture shows a bad installer. Mine was great being done on a very professional work bench etc. Do I know software, coding etc. I would hope so for I have owned 3 large software firms which one still codes for the military today. I can buy any car in the world I want that is for sale. I have owned 9 Porsches in the past 1 1/2 years. 4 of those TT's were heavily modified and each one of them had the lights coming on. Each one of those cars I spent over $18K and none blew my skirt up. I am sure that your company and Evo has none of these issues anymore and being a higher degree tuner this is why I am coming to you for my next car. But I would think all of you have to melt the plastic coating over the contacts, melt the chip out and then put the chip in the translator, program, put back on and re melt the contact together. One of these days Porsche will come up with a glue that "will" destroy the chip if trying to pull away and it is probably sooner than later. My point is that I personally was impressed with the performance diference that upsolute did for the $500. A lot of people do not want to spend $18K for a car that will retain no value when selling with the upgrades. As Todd said value and performance has nothing to do together. But keep in mind that customer service does pertain to value as well as other things as well.

 

Stephen,

I have a lot of respect for you. It is fine to state what chip or whose chip Upsolute uses. Part of the information quest. If they do it on a kitchen table so be it. Something else learned. You are aware Hewlett and Packard did it in an old garage in Palo Alto.

I want to compare Upsolute with the EVO stage 1, 2 and 3 performance wise. There has been alot of dancing around this and I guess that is all we are going to get from two EVO reps.

The Stage team had a chance to answer questions and convert me and others. There must be something at risk to an open forum discuession. I don't own either products but I truly wanted to learn. Guess that isn't going to happen.

By the way, you care to convert 462 actual rwhp at say 79 degees F at sea level for us? If not, I will get it on Monday and post.

 

Doug,
They do epoxy the chip down. It is a bear to remove without damaging the chips. Where there is a will there is way. Funny thing is the Audis do not glue theirs down. Quality control is very important to me as you know. Every ECU I send out that the car is not in the shop is tested in my car It is a pain, but is what I would want if I was sending my ECU out.

Chad,
It is nice to know while our goals are different and approaches we can still have a friendship. Even if you think I am stubborn. BTW I thought that was Apple in the garage? The last car we dynoed with the UC was short on claimed power. It was going to a IV so it didn’t matter at the time. As far as our kits what I claim is the norm. There are lots of guys around with both that I am sure we can swing something in your area as a comparison if you would like. Maybe I can fly out and set someone’s car up. Would give me an excuse to come that way again.

 

Chad, are you serious? Our info (dyno tests) is public knowledge, unlike yours and upsolutes. Shall we go on with this. I dont want to get involved in a pissing match with you Chad. I am too busy and and have better things to do right now (like finish a Stage 5 engine to ship overseas). For those of you who want upsolute for $500, there is plenty of information about it on this board and info on where to find it. If you want a tuned motor package with components that are designed to work together and are thoroughly tested and well respected than there is plenty of information on this board as well. Take care and bon voyage

 

Todd,

I think you answered all my questions and possibly others as well.

Sorry, but I don't view this as a pissing match. Just answering hard questions and providing information. There is nothing about my car that is secret. I can't speak for Upsolute but I can speak for for my car. I challenge you do a direct dialogue on this forum. Only condition is you and I must answer All questions and provide All information requested. I'll even see if I can get shankar to set it up so everyone can watch but only you and I can ask questions and provide answers. Then when we are done he could open it up to the members.

 

Chad, I am not quite sure what your challange means? Whats up?

The only problem I see is you are speaking for upsolute. You stated in your post that their program makes 90 HP. Have you seen it 1st hand or is it hear say. No hard fealings just protecting the nest so to speak

 

Todd,

You stated above, "Chad, are you serious? Our Info (dyno tests) is public knowledge, unlike yours and Upsolutes."

Everything was fine until you used the word, "yours, " refering to me. I believe my above challenge is clear. I am refering to the cjv/ s car go versus EVO.

I said, "I can't speak for Upsolute," meaning I can't answer questions regarding their product. I can answer questions and provide all information about my car. I have in the past and the information was available for over a year until I deleted the information a few months ago.

 

Chad, as you would say "I think we are a little off topic here". The topic is about upsolute. As I made it perfectly clear in my prior posts, I dont need to have a pissing match with you Chad. I think the info about this topic is clear. You have your opinion and I have mine. What are you trying to prove with you challenge? It seems a bit over the top dont you?

When I made the decision to even post about this topic I did so out of your remark about comparing a $500 upgrade to our Tuned stages. I disagreed with your comment and that was all. I still disagree with your statement and I just wanted to make a point that I agree to disagree

 

Information available from Upsolute: Change chip gain claimed 90 fwhp. The stock 415 plus 90 equals claimed 505 fwhp. Cost $500.

Information available from EVOMS.

Stage I, Sport air filter, EVO DV valve, EVO chip, claimed 488 fwhp. Cost $3,900.

Stage II, all the above in Stage II plus EVO sport exhaust,claimed 505 hp. Cost $6,900.

Stage III, all the above in stage II plus K-24 turbo's, claimed 552 fwhp. Cost $12,500.

Note, I have heard (rumor) Upsolute will not run safely with K-24's. I understand David in Virginia uses Upsolute with K-24's and his exhaust to obtain 560-580 fwhp. Todd has stated above he felt David's afr were in the 14.1 to 1 range. I do know David sells his exhausts for about $2,200. I also have seen pics where he wrapped his stock headers. Maybe he can comment further.

Note: If claimed hp is not correct than everything is out the window. EVO provides dyno charts, I have not seen Upsolutes. It would really be nice to compare charts and average hp and torque.

 

I didn't claim "David" runs a 14:1 AFR. I stated that "someone on this board" and FYI it is NOT David.

You can cut and paste very well. I also stated that they have no dyno graphs to back up their claims (that I have seen). That's ALL nothing more! There have been many independent dyno tests on this board that have been posted about our upgrades and I think PHD has done quite a few that have been posted. You are blowing this all way out of proportion. Not sure why the beef but rant on, I will in the office in the office all day so I will be able to play your game.

Cant we all just get along??

 

I am very please you will be available. "Someone" is hearsay or rumor. So let's do away with the 14.1-1 rumor for now. If someone knows it is fact, then we would love to hear from them.

I do not have a dyno graph from a car with just the Upsolute chip installed or the Upsolute chip with any other mods. I have stated that above. You don't either, so we agree on this point, we currently have no dyno graph.

Stephen, do you have a dyno chart for a 996tt with an Upsolute chip? If not Stephen, does anyone out there have one?

 

I don't believe simply compairing HP/TQ from tuner A with tuner B is a very intelligent approach to picking a better written ECU enhancement. I'm no teck wizzard, but I'm certain the underlying factors determining which one is better is a lot deeper than simply picking the one with the biggest HP. The quality and precision of the programming in regards to fuel delivered, timing and boost in a multiplicity of differing environments between the 2 should be the determining factor in picking a winner. If one is regarded as better simply because it produces a higher HP Im sure that can be achieved by simply cranking the boost. If I were a real tech wizzard, I would analyze the 2 3D maps and do a detailed analysis of the difference. This should determine what program is more robust and complete in design, not simply looking at 90hp vs XXhp.

Mike

 

Zippy, fantastic point. I agree with you and your approach.

Chad, you are correct there is some hear say and we can wait for someone to post their afr's and dyno graphs. Untill then Cheers

 

David(VA) is running 582 Flywheel HP with his Upsolute ECU and GT1 Turbos from Kevin. His A/F was around 12.7 at WOT and is running 1.2 bar. Im sure he can add more to this.

Btw... I will be at the NJ/PA meet and would be more than happy to compare my car with any GIAC I or II car from a rolling start (still trying to work on my launch). I know that there are a number of Stage IVs that will be attending...but that certainly wouldnt be fair! ...although, I would really like to see the difference in person.