Empirical data is something that is rather hard to come by in the high performance market. To say that (insert product here) produced x number is, to the untrained eye, largely an exercise in marketing. There are so many variables and ways, for the unscrupulous supplier, to make numbers that it makes the process even harder for the consumer. For example, if you look at aftermarket heads for any performance orientated car (Porsches, Corvette, F body, Mustang, etc.) you'll see flow numbers. People equate flow numbers with power. One can easily use this example and transpose flow number from cylinder heads to turbos. However, that's not the whole story and the people who are knowledgeable in these fields know this. However, that's what is used to sell products. Unless one has the means, the equipment, knowledge and time most of what is touted isn't that useful. About the best one can do is to educate yourself, as best you can and ask a lot of questions. Also see which cars are actually producing repeated, impressive times. Even then one must know if the car has been lightened, modifications to the driveline, suspension, tires , driver ability yadda....yadda...yadda.

 

It would certainly be good to see some comparative IC tests, what surprizes me is that after 7 years of modifications, I finally did the Intercoolers, when it should be in the top 5 mods it seems, if you are stepping up across he board ?

 

I've been gone a few weeks with life getting in the way, but I'm playing catch up between track weekends. So excuse me for being late to this party...

Couple of the more serious, and more well funded guys here are letting valid points get masked by rude comments...

I think the value vs. performance thing is something we all would like to be able to weigh against each other. Reality is that I don't want to spend my money, no matter how much or how little I have, on something that only may deliver margainal gains at best, if that is indeed the case.

GTDEUX, your IAT data is great to throw out there, but it's really only worth so much in comparing to other intercoolers. The only way to actually get meaningful data is to compare all of these units on the same car and in the same conditions. And even then, it'll only be but so relevent to those who have similar builds. Since you want to rub our collective noses in your money, your nomex, and your team, why don't you fund a worthwhile test so you can prove to all that the SECANS is the best. Who knows, Maybe it is. Then again, Maybe Switzer or EVOMs or Marksky, or <shudder> VIVID has the best unit out there... We don't know right now. What we do know what the costs are.

Otherwise, bloviating about your experiences on a website hold no more value than HeavyChevy's opinions or anyone elses, for that matter. And since I DO own some porsche clothing (no jacket though, sorry), I guess I'm lumped in that boat with the rest of the guys here. Oh but wait, I have a fair amount nomex and wear it a fair amount to...And yet I feel no higher in social status than any of my friends here...

Mike Kelly

 

Smartest and most well thought out post in this thread...
BRAVO Red9, BRAVO!

Mike

 

"aerospace grade cores".....now if that is not the epitomy of a marketing statement....I'll kiss your azz on a Sunday morning. Were they assembled in a friggin clean room? one trillionth tolerances? WTF? They are INTERCOOLERS hotshot. Get over yourself.

 

That is Lunar Lander grade parts there sir...

 

AEROSPACE GRADE CORES? ok, cool tell us where in aerospace they are being used. And what materials they are making them out of in aerospace industry. To the average person, if you put a set of secans next to a set of awe's, evo's etc, you could not tell much of a difference, they all use the same style cores. So please specifically enlighten me on how they differ,If have seen closeup pics of both and the difference is small.

So PLEASE, JUST SHOW US A COMPARISON OF SECANS NEXT TO JUST ONE OF THE TOP IC'S ON THE MARKET, JUST ONE COMPARISON, THAT IS ALL I ASK FOR $18K?

 

You were quick to qoute my post, but lacked the ability to comment on the merit of a comparison... You use strong words talking up a product and then dance around the fact that there is no relevent COMPARISON data. You spouting off about how much one product works, and claiming it to be imperical is simply false.

You know why it isn't? Because there has been no comparative to show that they are. You can continue arguing with everyone here who disagrees with you or YOU can make a test happen. Otherwise, you're wasting time and bandwidth, and none of us will be swayed anymore...

And as was said by another, get over yourself. You're not the only guy on the planet who can buy a seat in a race car... there's a lot of opportunity out there for anyone who wants to stroke a check for $35K to get into a Koni Challenge car.

Mike

 

Originally Posted by GTDeux
Since you are so familiar with motorsport, why don't you hit up the Alzen Brothers (Jurgen and Uwe) and ask them how the Secans have worked for them on their 996 Turbo racecar? I'm sure they can send you plenty of telemetry data for your review.

Originally Posted by GTDeux
Since you are so familiar with motorsport, why don't you hit up the Alzen Brothers (Jurgen and Uwe) and ask them how the Secans have worked for them on their 996 Turbo racecar? I'm sure they can send you plenty of telemetry data for your review.

Or maybe someone should call them and recommend Nomex LINED POCKETS....

 

With space age aluminum trim, no less!

Mike

 

Good Post- spot on as usual.

(nothing personal Mike, not many can pull off the Porsche members only jacket and glasses combo, but you do it well. I kid, I kid ! :-)

 

Someone has to know this person locally, I'm dying to hear a story how some drag race blinger smoked this joker...I can hear it now "but I had the secans, my IATs were within 20degC! How could I lose!"

 

Christopher, what's sad is that I'm in FULL agreement that the stock and X50 intercoolers are woefully insufficient in your and my applications... I know my IATs are way to HOT at the end of a 30 minute session. I also know that by spring, unless some unforeseen circumstance impacts the purchase, I'll have much better aftermarket intercoolers on my 600HP monster... I also know they won't cost $18,000!

And hey, not everyone can look as cool as me, walking around in the "Porsche" collection!

Mike

 

GT Deux, You know, now you're starting to offend me... I'm no f'n blinger and do more than enough work on my own car, and spend plenty of time at race tracks here on the east coast.

Maybe some will be OK with your insults, but I'm not...

Mike Kelly

 

My tt has Super-Semiconductor parts. Same brand as NASA's Mar Project. I am so proud of it. BTW it was made in Taiwan. Simply the best. Call NASA Expedition 21 Commander Frank De Winne. He knows.