Hi Guys,

I am ready to have EPL do a flash and DV's. I will not be doing exhaust, turbos or any other modification to the car, just a flash. Will I burn my clutch out at an accelerated rate with just a flash? The car has 20k miles and I never slip it or do hard launches, ever.

Best,

D

 

i got a giac flash/evoms diverter valves at 23k mi, then followed that with a exhaust (a must by the way) at about 28k mi. i'm at almost 40k mi with the stock clutch without any problems. many people have gone 50+k mi with flash/exhaust on a stock clutch. it really depends on how you drive (try to avoid too many hard launches).

 

It will if (to avoid tuner war thread, PM me) your tune makes gobs of torque.....

jeff

 

If you aren't launching and just shifting while accelerating, it will be fine...

 

+1 ^ depends how you drive...

 

Ok...

I had had 14 cars. Never, ever burned out a clutch. This even on a Saab that the mechanic told me had a tranny and clutch designed for 86hp with 185hp....back then it seemed fast, ok.

Anyway, at least one tuner has a lot of torque.....and a clutch could not hold up to it. Another user of another tuner got this tuner's code and what had been a fine clutch no longer was fine.....

It is how you drive, but torque is torque...


It could also be that the prior owner of some of these cars damaged their clutches and the damage only became obvious with more torque added to the picture.....that could explain the whole thing.


Just my 2c.

Worth about 2c.

Jeff

 

all depends on your driving style, but no, it shouldnt.

 

By the sounds of your driving habbits, I think you will be fine. I have a stock clutch and after a significant amount of due diligence and research, am about to embark on a Tune myself. I will be doing a write up on my experiences once it is complete. I have selected a vendor and will be starting it shortly.

The key with most cars is NEVER drop the clutch at high revs, you stand to loose a lot more than just a clutch. Be gentle with it till fully engaged, and then you should be fine.

I have a Gen II FabSpeed Exhaust with 200 cell cats, and updated 1 bar K24 Wastegate actuators. I will be dong a Header Port, Water/alcohol injection but that is it. I will do the DV's and a silicone F Hose only if the stock units give up and I really need to.

Regards,

SWR

 

You ask if the clutch will wear at an accelerated rate if you get more power from a flash.
Yes, no question about it. What *is* the question, is *how much acceleration of wear?*".
If you never really get on it anyway, then the difference (extra power in your gentle
throttle applications) may diminish you clutch life from 80,000 miles to 70,000. On the
other hand, if you get on it hard, frequently in lower gears, like me, a good flash will
finish your clutch within 1000 miles. It did mine. I flashed at around 3000 miles, and
needed a new clutch before 4000 miles.
A 996tt flash is the most cost-effective and power-generating change I've ever seen
for any car, ever. That extra power puts a new load on every part of the drivetrain.

 

My clutch had 45k on it and with my K16 EPL flash, it lasted about a week of normal driving. With only 20k miles, you might be OK. If you can do it, do it now, you'll be good for a long while. I picked up 85hp and 120ft/lbs (AWD) with K16 flash and exhaust.

 

Assuming that the clutch has not been previously weakened (and most have), technically there should be no difference at all, assuming that you never exceed your previous torque levels at any time there is clutch friction. I don't see your power level breaking apart (slipping after fully seated) a fully-engaged, healthy clutch due to torque. The reality is, any more torque during anything that involves clutch friction will naturally accelerate wear. Unless you know the exact history of your clutch (IE you installed it or purchased the car new), there is a risk of more torque being the "last straw" when it was not symptomatic before. Then the failure mode is exponential.

 

You should be fine. I did a flash and exhaust at 5,000 miles and I drove the original clutch until about 65,000 miles without any problem. Then it only started slipping after I installed larger turbos and did about 25 1/4 mile passes. It lasted about 8 months with the larger turbos. If I had not upgraded turbos, I feel it would have been good for a lot more than 65K miles with just flash and exhaust...

 

Yes! Because the ECU Tune makes the clutch bite harder. Some Ecu tunes out there even burn the clutch because it raises the temperature of the transmission. Ive even heard that a cheap flash even makes your air conditioning unit turn on and off randomly

 

64k on stock clutch-- 50% left according to mechanic. That is with 40k of having a flashed/exhaust. I also learned to drive manual on this car, and the first 22k miles were driven by a female. So yes, you should not have a problem at all. Now that i know how to drive a manual, i'm expecting over 150k miles on my new clutch. If i don't get that, i'll be very dissapointed with myself.

 

hows the song go (you can if you want too)i have a giac flash kevins turbos, evi ics, headers, europipe loud, and a bunch of other stuff. pulled the clutch with about 32k on it and was fine had a hot spot or two but no major wear no slippage. only reolaced it for a lwf setup