Agreed, but it would take a lot more to that weight down, not just a few mods!

Yes and no... I would say 9 times out of 10 the GT3/RS with LSD through and out the corner will pull on a Turbo, you would have to be on the sweet spot with throttle, boost, traction on the Turbo to stick with it.
Braking can be very similar for both cars, I have actually out braked GT3/RS under braking lap after lap (I have some footage which I will dig out), but this really depends what Pads, Rotors and especially Tires you are running, I know some guys run 380mm fronts which can be a big difference.

mmmmmm! You could argue this point again depending what tracks. I think if you had 2 competent drivers in both cars and on your average Euro circuit, you will find that Coilovers and a rear sway will be nowhere near enough.

Again depending what tracks you do... don't want to get into a debate about circuits but SOME Euro & US Tracks are very, very different.

Most I have been in don't have a problem, I agree if you fall off, but the close ratio and extra RPM you can ring it's nuts all day long... that's really down to the driver.

I travel with quite a few guys most have RS's and are more than capable... I would say I am equal to them on corners but when it comes to a straight it's bye bye... I would also add it's taken a lot of money to get there.

 

How so? I'm the weight thread guy, I will certainly itemize it so you can see that it does not take but a few mods including most of them that almost everyone does anyways (seats, wheels, exhaust) the only other thing is battery.Everything else it DIY removal of parts. And this is EXCLUDING RWD conversion which makes it a piece of cake. You could also remove bumper supports and be well under that depending on how bold you are.

You can in fact easily be within 20 lbs or less than a 997 GT3 with only a few (less than 4)mods purchased. Several have done it already, including myself (3247)

What type of corner? There are some corners the GT3 has no chance, especially quick change of direction corners, chicanes, and long increasing radius sweepers.

I should also state that you can't outbrake a GT3 if the driver is good on the brakes and you haven't overhauled you braking system and front contact patch. Even then you should be entering the brake zone at a much higher rate of speed which makes it next to impossible. If the guy is good on the brakes you can forget about it.


I agree, that can certainly be argued as well since most of our east coast US tracks have quite a bit of straights OR big elevation increases after corner exit which both benefit hp/torque cars.

If the average speed stays high though (even without straights), the Turbo has the advantageIMO.

I beg to differ and I've raced one against an M6 heads up and they were close enough in speed to show you that if you don't molest the gearbox, you lose significant revs. If you had something relative you could see how finicky they are, and I'm hardly a slouch of a shifter.

I would question if you did your package in pieces enough to see how the individual pieces of it made an impact. Chances are you could do similar with less mods as much of what a lot of guys add to their turbos does nothing if only pro's can set the car up properly and then extrapolate the most out of the differences. Most of us amateurs will make changes and then drive the same way, negating the changes we made. I don't know your mod list either, but I'd take my TT on any track in the US vs a stock GT3 and unless they are pro, they aren't going to beat me, and even then, I still like my chances.

We will just have to get together one of these days and beat up on the GT3's together. Maybe by this summer I can have planned a Euro track trip with some buds.

 

heavy , you cant run lower boost then the the spring rate is the wastegate . i have 1 bar springs in my 44 mm external tials , with the ebc you can only dial up wards from that , you cant dial below 1 bar ( the waste gate spring rate)

 

I'll ask for clarification, maybe I mixed it up, maybe he's confused, but what I gathered from it is that he's able to run less boost with the EBC somehow than without it.

 

cool!... it's good to debate these issues.

 

Been thinking about this and there's one possibility... Run the OEM valve in series with the EBC. OEM ECU set for higher boost than EBC, EBC lowers boost by clamping bleed for OEM valve. At least I think that would work but it spons my head to think about the plumbing and control.... Both boost levels would be W/G or higher.

 

Here are some pics I took today at the shop. As you can see the one side is very bad, the other side had also started to blow out as well. As you can see it IS possible to have a blown gasket without leaking coolant.









EVO 10mm head studs installed:



Damaged liner from the gasket flapping around for a while:

 

Another thing we noticed is the different heads from an early 01' to a late 01+ is that the early cylinder heads were made in France and have a different casting. If you take a look at these pics you can see the difference between the two. The cleaned up head is Jag's.

Early production 01:




Later production (Made in Germany):



You can see the "Made in France" stamp:

 

Interesting nice find, so what all are you doing to the motor don ?

 

Glad to hear things are going the right direction. Good pics, thanks for sharing.

 

Thanks for the pics and information, Don. I'm glad you're getting everything taken care of.

 

Just doing the basics and rods/Evo 10mm studs.

 

Stevo, and Heavy. I think we should make a thread to discuss all this.
I can share all my info from my track experience and from driving experience.


Lets not take this thread off topic.

 

Mike,

I don't know you but I have nothing to BS about.
You can ask the people who have seen me drive and let them be the judge.

This picture was taken by a friend, and he posted it on his fb.
That particular Ferrari is garaged at the track.
And as for the GTR, you will see it on TV soon enough the results.
I just realized yday that i went to battle with it without even braking in my pads!


sorry guys for taking it off topic.

 

I don't get this comparison, the correct one would be why spend the money on a turbo instead of getting a GT2... People who buy turbo's and then venture into heavily modifying them for the track are people who like and are comfortable with the TT motor's characteristics/power and platform of the car. The GT3/RS has a different type of following.. IMO, and of course not saying this for everyone/every track driver, but the Turbo/GT2 to be driven FAST takes a WHOLE LOT MORE skill then to pilot around a GT3, unless of course you are taking the GT3 to a realm of over driving the car/your capability to get to that certain mark/lap time which wouldn't be consistent... But that's OT