found another car i'm interested in. they are listing the car at $50,000 so I told them to send me a PO and I'll buy as long as the PPI comes clean.

i get the PO and there are two line items:

Our PPI - $995
Porsche PPI - $300

thus bringing the car to $51295

i call and ask what exactly is "our ppi"
"when we get cars we perform our own ppi. this porsche needed new tires and oil change so we replaced them"
"can you provide me with paperwork showing this?"

i receive an invoice from their own dealership listing those 2 items but no dollar amounts associated with them. (the dealership stated they use another performance shop to do the PPI which is why i was confused about the invoice).

now my question is, should i be expected to pay the $995 for their own PPI? what would your expectations be? should i demand to see paperwork showing that all 4 tires were actually replaced?

thanks!

michael

 

I would think "their" PPI would be factored into their asking price... but maybe that's just me.

Unless you're working with a Porsche dealer, the whole point of a PPI (IMHO) is to have the car thoroughly checked out by someone who has extensive knowledge of that particular vehicle and specific things to look for. Having a 3rd party dealer list the car for $50k, then add a thousand-dollar PPI on top to get the car into saleable condition, would make me leery. Best of luck, however.

 

my dealer hit me with a 250$administration fee it was only 250 on 45k deal i didn't bother bickering about it but a 1k ppi n no proof of replacing things id want receipt n warranty on the tires for an extra 1000$

 

okay thanks for the input guys.

 

Does their PPI include the cost of the items that need replacing?

I doubt they replaced all four tires, probably just the rears. Can you talk directly to the 'other performance' shop?

I would think they would be motivated this time of year to get the car sold before years end and before the holiday. They don't sound very motivated.

Any more details on the car (year, mileage, options), how about it's history and repair records? The dealer should be able to provide those to you.

Good Luck!

 

Yes their $1000 PPI includes oil change & replacing the tires. I'm definitely going to press for service records and proof that tires were replaced.

 

I learned to check the manufacture date on tires after buying a car where they told me they had put all four new tires on and then realizing the tires were 4-5 years old after I was taught how to read the date.

 

how do you read the date? nevermind, found out

http://www.tuninglinx.com/html/car-tire-date-code.html

 

Look for the little rubber hairy nubbies on the tire. They ARE brand new right? No one's been out spinning them right?? No nubbies means they aren't new and hell no I wouldn't pay EXTRA over and above the asking price for tires, oil, windshield fluid, wipers, the wash and wax, the dusting inside, or the armor all - are they that stupid?! $50K had better be for a LOW mileage car that's mint (and needed tires?!) or for one that has decent mods like turbos, exhaust, clutch, and fuel.

 

well i took a closer look at the pictures, the front tires still have that red line you see on tires. yes the car has very very low miles. so you're saying i shouldn't have to pay extra for them to make the car in sellable condition?

 

That's my opinion - most "pre-owned" vehicles need a little freshening up prior to being sold by a dealership. Most reputable dealers will make sure that wear items (tires, brakes, oil changes, wiper blades, etc.) will be in serviceable or new condition either upon taking in a vehicle, or repair/replace items that need attention. Prior to placing the vehicle up for sale, and reflecting any "sunk costs" expended on maintenance into their asking price. Not ask $50k, and then "hit you up" for an extra grand because it needed tires. JMHO.

 

oh i totally agree. i totally think they are just trying to gouge me another $1k

 

There is NO WAY you should be expected to pay their costs to offer the car for sale.

Your offer to pay for the PPI just prompted them to tack that onto the price and call it "our own PPI".

The fact that you didn't laugh at them immediately and call them thieves was a tactical error....the fact that you are discussing this and asking for proof and documentation emboldens them...

As I've mentioned before, YOU should arrange YOUR OWN ppi...not let the seller pick and arrange whatever it is they are calling a "PPI"

 

Additionally, say you don't buy the car....you just paid for a PPI that they'll use the positive information gleaned to advertise it to the next person....at your expense. A PPI report should come straight to you from an independent source with no affiliation to the selling party or entity.

 

I agree with the others here and if they're conducting business this way, it makes me curious if not weary what else they're gonna try to pull on you. It may be a great car, but I'm not so sure I'd want to deal with them. This is still the romancing period and if they're willing to treat you like this now, how will they treat you if something goes awry (2nd gear pop-out) etc., probably by telling you (not even asking) to grab your ankles. There's a lot of good low mile turbos out there, unless this is "the one" I'd look else where. Go back in 2 weeks, it should still be there, then see if they've changed their tune. Tell them you will NOT pay for their PPI but you will take the car to a shop of YOUR choice who is independent and have the PPI done on your own. If you're satisfied with the results you will purchase the vehicle. That is how it's normally done and you shouldn't waver on this. If they don't agree, then most likely they have something to hide, Type 1 and type 2 overevs on the minor side or 2nd gear popout or worse could be major concerns. They most likely just got this car in, so they're trying to play hardball. But once they've sat on a car like that for a while, they'll soften up and give into demands. Remember, there's plenty of low mile cars that have high amounts of Track miles which is as bad if not sometimes worse than a medium to high mile car. What year, color and how many miles are on this particular car? Have you tried to google the VIN number? Have you asked them for a carfax? Almost all dealers will give you a free carfax on the vehicle if asked. Good luck in your search!