I don't recall responding to anything concerning the top gear article.......

Nor does any journalist write my opinions for me.

 

You quoted Mikelly in agreement on what he said about the article I posted. Sorry I assumed you were also referring to it.

 

Oh, ok I see where you are coming from. My bad.

I don't think Mike or myself misunderstood the article, we both know the GT3 is a precision instrument, maybe the finest of it's kind in terms of engineering, driver feedback and pure exhilaration. A precision that can't even be matched by the GT2. That is completely understood. The 996 TT is more of a blunt object you bash someone over the head with.

I really do appreciate and love GT3's, however I do not want to own one over my TT. If I owned a GT3 I'd want to be racing it.

 

I said nothing of the sort.

 

No, I'm no PHD and don't plan to crack atoms, or provide the cure for cancer any time soon... But I got the point of the article...

Again, The original poster asked the question and I gave what I believe is a fair answer. If I were racing in a series, I might be relegated to a GT3 for a number of reasons, rules not being the last... But for DE and time trial amature/ semi pro drivers, I believe you can have more fun and develope further the 996TT platform. You will spend much more money, but have less restrictions in how you spend it.

And comparing a full interior 996TT to a stripped, caged cupcar with the right driver is laughable and boils down to who is wheeling the car. a CUP CAR is a RACECAR. If I'm lappiong with a full caged 400+ Horsepower Cupcar then that driver is either learning the car (which has happened) or can't drive (which has also happened).

I've always contended that the issues for both cars are:

Power for the GT3

Weight and where it sits in the TT platform.

Someone mentioned PMI earlier... As I stated before, you can get over this issue if you want to spend lots of money on new subframes and suspension uprights. You can convert the car to Rear Drive only...Are these options cheap? No. Are the do-able? Yes. Here's why it may make sense for a guy like me to Keep the current car and play with it instead of buying a GT3... I already own the car. To sell it in its current state, I would lose more than the car is worth to me... Not in dollars, but what it is worth to me at this point in my life.

Most of the guys here are never going to race as a club racer or anything more serious. They want to know what they can do to stay in front of 90% of the cars at a weekend drivers event. The advice we have given to them stands. You can disagree with it all you want, and we'll just have to agree to disagree...

Mike

 

I said I beat a Cup Car that weekend. In a previous thread I have noted that we have members here who's cars that are easily faster than 6 cups and bordering on 7 cups. (Not my car, YET, but will be soon).

Al Norton's car is less than 3 seconds adrift the ALMS Challenge cars with him driving with PSM on, at around 32xx lbs (without driver), and admittedly not pushing in the corners (even though he sandbags a bit, because he's a better driver than he puts on). We've agreed that a Professional driver would be at least as fast if not faster than the whole group (I.E. Not too much slower than ALMS GT2 cars).

The times don't lie, granted Al's car is an extensive build, it's still AWD, no major geometry changes and basic mods (though a lot of them) that many people here have gotten. A 996 Turbo can be made to go as fast with less mods (though not as reliably).

Where I come in is that I ran 3 seconds slower than Al with completely full interior, stock seats (and seatbelts ) at nearly 3700 (3675) lbs on MPSC with JIC coilovers and a H&R rear sway.

 

I thought we weren't supposed to turn the thread into a pissing match

 

Ok, ok, i'm only KIDDING!

 

That the turbo can be made to handle as good as a gt3 is proven as HC and Mike have said.

But really, what the Turbo gives me that the GT3 never will is that fierce acceleration that is so enjoyable. I get a thrill every time I get in my car. I have driven GT3's and they are great cars, but the acceleration leaves me wanting more and that is why I would not go for a gt3 over a turbo. different strokes for different folks.

 

Some people seem to think that because they can't do it (or come close), it can't be done. The Turbo is a lot faster than most people are driving them, especially a lot of guys I see as DE's lapping 10-12-15 seconds slower than I am with as many or more mods. They then assume the car can't do it and think higher of the cars that are flying by them when in reality it's just a faster driver in the other car.

And when we are comparing to Cups, most of the guys aren't putting the proper aero on the car. A 63 inch wing without a HUGE front spoiler is not going to make you significantly faster. In fact, the only way you'll be able to get around the corner is by driving slower so the wing doesn't make you push straight off the track.

When I see the big wings without big changes in the front, it makes me laugh a little. You can't add 1000lbs of DF in the back and put a measly aero splitter in the front and expect to get anything out of it. I have yet to see anyone go as far as Al has with his car, and it's not pretty, but it works, and even what he has isn't enough for that HUGE wing and his splitter is 4 inches out with 4 supports. He's building a 5 inch one.

 

This thread makes me laugh so much

 

That splitter is awesome..

 

Love the splitter

 

Psshh. Then you're not ambitious enough. J/K.
And we'll agree to agree actually. You mentioned that you wouldn't start with a turbo for a track car. I wouldn't either. I go to the track every weekend and that's why I bought a GT3.

But believe me, it was difficult to ignore the 911 turbo when I came to make my purchase. It's such a phenomenal machine.

 

I really don't know where this laughable thread is heading... the original post was "Can the 996 Turbo handle like a GT3"... then all of a sudden can a Turbo keep up with a Cup Car... I have never honestly heard so much nonsense in all my life!