Can the 996 Turbo handle like a GT3?
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What doesn't make sence is the amount of money I spent on the GT2 to run a 2 :00 at VIR.. in a truley street legal car with carpet and AC .. Yes I ran it with the radio and ac on low .. The turbo can do the same.. Plenty of peeps can do it.. My old car took second place OLA last year .. So I understand the arguements
But take very inexpensive Gt3 .. Put half the Money in it and you will walk away from the TT.. I have done it .. 2:03 at Vir all stock except cs motons with no shock pressure adjusted.. Worn out Hoosiers
Not saying any correct answer or anyone is wrong wrong.. Just certian cars built for certian things that's all. I remember jacking up my tt's. the rear wheel car would slowly come up at the rear.. I jack up my 3's and three wheels be off the ground before you know it.. Don't ask me.. Stiff is good .. A lot if tuners will tell you they can do it .. But they are in the bus.. To sell parts and work on cars..
Put the two on the track .. I'll take the 3 with 1/3 the money in it than the tt my times will be faster than the tt..
Mike Kelly not trying to offend you!!!! Lol or disrespect
All the math and charts aside ..
But take very inexpensive Gt3 .. Put half the Money in it and you will walk away from the TT.. I have done it .. 2:03 at Vir all stock except cs motons with no shock pressure adjusted.. Worn out Hoosiers
Not saying any correct answer or anyone is wrong wrong.. Just certian cars built for certian things that's all. I remember jacking up my tt's. the rear wheel car would slowly come up at the rear.. I jack up my 3's and three wheels be off the ground before you know it.. Don't ask me.. Stiff is good .. A lot if tuners will tell you they can do it .. But they are in the bus.. To sell parts and work on cars..
Put the two on the track .. I'll take the 3 with 1/3 the money in it than the tt my times will be faster than the tt..
Mike Kelly not trying to offend you!!!! Lol or disrespect
All the math and charts aside ..
Stevo, That's what I'm talking about... You're pretty much calling Dez a liar... There ARE guys who ARE competing HERE in the United States in AMATURE level COMPETITION... MAYBE those piloting the GT3 cups in those specific cases are just that bad a driver? No, instead you make the accusation that he's lying. It's insulting, quite honestly.
Matt Callahan (930Man) is a great example of a guy who could jump into a stock GT3 and a STOCK 996TT and show the differences in the two, and YES run faster times... You know how many Matts there are? Not many my friend... Again, go back and read what I posted... 90% of the guys here are looking for solutions to make their cars have a chance at DE events... Can I make a Street 996TT handle as well as a street GT3? I think I can. I think I have. But hey, take that out of context and use it at will... The fun of this thread is gone, and I'm done.
Mike
Matt Callahan (930Man) is a great example of a guy who could jump into a stock GT3 and a STOCK 996TT and show the differences in the two, and YES run faster times... You know how many Matts there are? Not many my friend... Again, go back and read what I posted... 90% of the guys here are looking for solutions to make their cars have a chance at DE events... Can I make a Street 996TT handle as well as a street GT3? I think I can. I think I have. But hey, take that out of context and use it at will... The fun of this thread is gone, and I'm done.
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Mike, IMHO a 996 Turbo without SERIOUS SERIOUS modifications and on equal level drivers will never pass a Cup Car... I'm sorry but that is my opinion!
and to come out with this comment is just plain silly
Originally Posted by heavychevy
I said I beat a Cup Car that weekend. In a previous thread I have noted that we have members here who's cars that are easily faster than 6 cups and bordering on 7 cups. (Not my car, YET, but will be soon).
I love my Turbo also but I think some people are trying to kid themselves here!
and to come out with this comment is just plain silly
Originally Posted by heavychevy
I said I beat a Cup Car that weekend. In a previous thread I have noted that we have members here who's cars that are easily faster than 6 cups and bordering on 7 cups. (Not my car, YET, but will be soon).
I love my Turbo also but I think some people are trying to kid themselves here!
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And the gloves are off! Anyway, here is a question:
Besides the engine, front suspention for the AWD, and wider rear, what are the differences between the turbo and GT3 (besides the adjustable lowers, etc). Can't you pretty much take a turbo and put GT3 parts on it and have pretty much the same car less the engine?
Besides the engine, front suspention for the AWD, and wider rear, what are the differences between the turbo and GT3 (besides the adjustable lowers, etc). Can't you pretty much take a turbo and put GT3 parts on it and have pretty much the same car less the engine?
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As I mentioned I am just being realistic here... it would take an absolute bucket load of cash to get anywhere near a Cup Car... I don't want to fall out with anyone but just find some of the comments on this thread bizarre and very miss leading to others, I even have a modded Turbo so I am with the discussion but my head is not in the clouds.
You will get to a certain stage with a Turbo and then it's all about losing the weight, lowering centre of gravity, tire width, etc and without major modifications and a bucket load of cash you just not going to get there... I know SMR's GT2 was heavily modified but having the GT2 is more than half the battle straight away... even SMR has moved on, he is now looking at an RSR.
You will get to a certain stage with a Turbo and then it's all about losing the weight, lowering centre of gravity, tire width, etc and without major modifications and a bucket load of cash you just not going to get there... I know SMR's GT2 was heavily modified but having the GT2 is more than half the battle straight away... even SMR has moved on, he is now looking at an RSR.
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Cup cars are pretty expensive. Doubt you would have to do a $40-60k suspension setup and tune to a turbo to get close to a cup car (on top of the turbo's base price). That's what it would take to be similar in cost from what I know...
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and it takes more talent than 99% of p-car owners have to take advantage of a well sorted car. really, this is all pointless. Driver training, is probably more effective than anything else. I have seen plenty of videos of turbos flying by GT3's. Heck I think the one of Mikelly following a cup car and the cup car letting him by since it could not shake hm is pretty indicative what a modded turbo can do. I know this does not sit well with gt3 owners. I am sure the cup car driver had skills. After all, what fool would bring such a capable car and not be able to drive it, but a poser.
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and it takes more talent than 99% of p-car owners have to take advantage of a well sorted car. really, this is all pointless. Driver training, is probably more effective than anything else. I have seen plenty of videos of turbos flying by GT3's. Heck I think the one of Mikelly following a cup car and the cup car letting him by since it could not shake hm is pretty indicative what a modded turbo can do. I know this does not sit well with gt3 owners. I am sure the cup car driver had skills. After all, what fool would bring such a capable car and not be able to drive it, but a poser.
I passed a 997 GT3RS my last track event. The guy was going way slow and it was only my second DE... I seriously doubt 90% of people will be able to use anything close to a GT3 or cup car... Otherwise we would all be professional drivers!
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Cup Cars can be picked up for not a lot of money, remember it might have had a few knocks here and there also, but when you buy a Cup a lot has to do with the hours it has done. Owning a Cup is all maintenance, you have to refresh all the time and that's where the money is spent, I am now considering going down this route as my car is no longer suitable for street.
A lot does come down to driver skill, there is no doubting that! TBH there are a lot of factors, driver, track, weather, tires, set up, etc, etc.
You are best looking at track times, these tell a true story and that is why I posted them earlier... even when you take 80shilling with his GT2 at Laguna recently he was flying in that vid nobody would disagree with that, what does a Cup go around Laguna in 1:27/1:28/1:29's (I might be wrong, but one's I have watched in the past have done these kind of times)... 80shilling was doing 1:37/1:38's in a GT2 and he looked like he was pushing on, could only imagine what he would say trying to make up 9/10 seconds.
A lot does come down to driver skill, there is no doubting that! TBH there are a lot of factors, driver, track, weather, tires, set up, etc, etc.
You are best looking at track times, these tell a true story and that is why I posted them earlier... even when you take 80shilling with his GT2 at Laguna recently he was flying in that vid nobody would disagree with that, what does a Cup go around Laguna in 1:27/1:28/1:29's (I might be wrong, but one's I have watched in the past have done these kind of times)... 80shilling was doing 1:37/1:38's in a GT2 and he looked like he was pushing on, could only imagine what he would say trying to make up 9/10 seconds.
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Stevo, Shilling is on a stock motor, with nothing but suspension mods. No aero, little weight reduction, only on R6's.
Slicks are worth 2-3 seconds alone, aero is worth another couple seconds on a track like LS, and some power wouldn't hurt either. Not to mention what a pro driver would do.
You are only making this worse for yourself. A cup car won't be 20 seconds faster than me on ANY track (except maybe the nurburgring).
Slicks are worth 2-3 seconds alone, aero is worth another couple seconds on a track like LS, and some power wouldn't hurt either. Not to mention what a pro driver would do.
You are only making this worse for yourself. A cup car won't be 20 seconds faster than me on ANY track (except maybe the nurburgring).
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Mike, IMHO a 996 Turbo without SERIOUS SERIOUS modifications and on equal level drivers will never pass a Cup Car... I'm sorry but that is my opinion!
and to come out with this comment is just plain silly
Originally Posted by heavychevy
I said I beat a Cup Car that weekend. In a previous thread I have noted that we have members here who's cars that are easily faster than 6 cups and bordering on 7 cups. (Not my car, YET, but will be soon).
I love my Turbo also but I think some people are trying to kid themselves here!
and to come out with this comment is just plain silly
Originally Posted by heavychevy
I said I beat a Cup Car that weekend. In a previous thread I have noted that we have members here who's cars that are easily faster than 6 cups and bordering on 7 cups. (Not my car, YET, but will be soon).
I love my Turbo also but I think some people are trying to kid themselves here!
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NASA-SETrack Carolina Motorsports Park (2.279 miles) Event Pit Bull Brawl Group Time Trial
Classification Pos No. Name Overall BestTm R1 R2 R3 R4 1 22 Edward White 1:39.931 1:52.613 1:41.583 1:39.931 1:40.882 2 901 Forrest Bowen 1:39.978 -.--- -.--- 1:39.978 -.--- 3 45 Denis Malevanyi 1:45.958 2:02.397 1:52.635 1:45.958 1:46.020 4 18 Michael Keena-Levin 1:48.631 1:59.904 1:52.856 -.--- 1:48.631 5 111 Team England 1:48.923 2:03.534 1:54.561 1:48.923 -.--- 6 64 Toby Milne 1:49.007 -.--- 1:52.935 1:49.007 -.--- 7 117 Everette Parson 1:49.574 2:00.276 1:51.913 1:49.574 2:27.940 8 25 Luke Belverd 1:50.800 -.--- 1:54.641 1:50.800 -.--- 9 85 Larry Kilgore 1:51.818 2:07.106 1:55.281 1:51.818 1:53.103 10 667 Michael Manning 1:52.143 2:04.403 1:55.412 1:52.143 -.--- 11 007 Jean-Francois Rivard 1:53.660 2:08.602 1:54.818 1:53.706 1:53.660 12 82 Rich Shafer 1:54.033 -.--- 1:54.033 -.--- -.--- 13 07 Paul Whittle 1:54.494 -.--- 1:54.494 -.--- -.--- 14 42 Jeffrey Kay 1:56.323 2:05.357 1:59.344 1:56.807 1:56.323 15 54 John Haff 1:56.434 -.--- 2:26.621 1:56.434 -.--- 16 911 Laura Patton 1:57.165 -.--- -.--- 1:57.165 -.--- 17 0 Joe Oliveira 1:57.385 -.--- 2:02.878 1:57.385 1:58.151 18 63 Jim Pantas 1:57.861 -.--- -.--- 1:57.861 -.--- 19 77 Steven Canterbury 2:01.480 -.--- 2:01.480 -.--- -.--- 20 85X Nabil Abusharr 2:04.814 2:15.632 2:09.670 2:04.814 -.--- 21 51 Greg Anderson 2:07.693 2:27.355 2:19.288 2:07.693 -.--- 22 777 William Easter 2:09.095 2:21.630 2:13.986 2:09.095 -.--- 23 5v5 --:--:--.--- -.--- -.--- -.--- -.--- 24 61 Robert Whitener --:--:--.--- -.--- -.--- -.--- -.-
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Stevo, you obviously haven't come to the realization that even non pro drivers happen to buy Cup Cars. Drivers that may or may NOT be better than those who don't buy them. Buying a cup car does not make you all of a sudden Sean Edwards but you can't seem to grasp that fact.
I've beaten several Cup Cars, and they were on slicks and I was on MPSC. Saying you beat a cup doesn't mean you would have beaten Sean Edwards on the same day.
A little comprehension would do you well.
I've beaten several Cup Cars, and they were on slicks and I was on MPSC. Saying you beat a cup doesn't mean you would have beaten Sean Edwards on the same day.
A little comprehension would do you well.
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Cup Cars can be picked up for not a lot of money, remember it might have had a few knocks here and there also, but when you buy a Cup a lot has to do with the hours it has done. Owning a Cup is all maintenance, you have to refresh all the time and that's where the money is spent, I am now considering going down this route as my car is no longer suitable for street.
A lot does come down to driver skill, there is no doubting that! TBH there are a lot of factors, driver, track, weather, tires, set up, etc, etc.
You are best looking at track times, these tell a true story and that is why I posted them earlier... even when you take 80shilling with his GT2 at Laguna recently he was flying in that vid nobody would disagree with that, what does a Cup go around Laguna in 1:27/1:28/1:29's (I might be wrong, but one's I have watched in the past have done these kind of times)... 80shilling was doing 1:37/1:38's in a GT2 and he looked like he was pushing on, could only imagine what he would say trying to make up 9/10 seconds.
A lot does come down to driver skill, there is no doubting that! TBH there are a lot of factors, driver, track, weather, tires, set up, etc, etc.
You are best looking at track times, these tell a true story and that is why I posted them earlier... even when you take 80shilling with his GT2 at Laguna recently he was flying in that vid nobody would disagree with that, what does a Cup go around Laguna in 1:27/1:28/1:29's (I might be wrong, but one's I have watched in the past have done these kind of times)... 80shilling was doing 1:37/1:38's in a GT2 and he looked like he was pushing on, could only imagine what he would say trying to make up 9/10 seconds.