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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Enzo #400

Is this ancient news? I just found out about this now. Glad to hear the proceeds are going towards a very good cause.

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars...pope/1801.html

During the press conference yesterday, held at the Vatican, Jean Todt announced that President Montezemolo had decided to construct an Enzo "number 400", to be donated to Caritas, before being auctioned and the proceeds sent to the victims of the tsunami in South East Asia.
 

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Wonder if it will sell under MSRP?
 
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I wish there was an Enzo CS....another round of 399. Not that I could afford one, but get more on the road.
 
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How much money would Ferrari be losing doing by doing this? Not that it matters, but considering that the car has a MSRP of $650k (correct?) woundering how much of it is shear profit for Ferrari
 
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Pretty difficult to tell. Lots of R&D and equipment involved, so it makes it pretty hard to define.
Just a guts feeling, but I think Ferrari "makes" around 100-200k (yeah, kinda big ballpark! lol) on each Enzo.
 
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Pretty difficult to tell. Lots of R&D and equipment involved, so it makes it pretty hard to define.
Just a guts feeling, but I think Ferrari "makes" around 100-200k (yeah, kinda big ballpark! lol) on each Enzo.
i bet it's MUCH MUCH less than that. I'd be surprised if they make more than $50k per Enzo and even that is probably high. These super cars aren't really meant to be big sources of income.

But they're not really losing R&D or equipment costs on this one because they are fixed costs. The variable costs are really just the materials, labor, electricity, etc it takes to build one. I bet that's no more than $150k at the absolute max.

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i bet it's MUCH MUCH less than that. I'd be surprised if they make more than $50k per Enzo and even that is probably high. These super cars aren't really meant to be big sources of income.

But they're not really losing R&D or equipment costs on this one because they are fixed costs. The variable costs are really just the materials, labor, electricity, etc it takes to build one. I bet that's no more than $150k at the absolute max.

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Actually I'm betting its closer to $350K per Enzo. If Pagani can do quite well on something like 2-3 dozen cars a year I'm pretty sure Ferrari can rake in a lot more than that.
 
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if i had a million dollars....
That is the mother of all cars!!!
 
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Pagani is different. They are just a few craftsmen making a great but very traditional car, and they outsource the engine.
Ferrari is way more innovative, ie full CF, automated tranny, in-house high-tech engine, super modern aerodynamics. Very nice, and very epxensive to develop. Anyone in the know care to compare how many people R&Ded the cars and for how long?
Not that I wouldn't take the Zonda over the Enzo.
 
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Pagani is different. They are just a few craftsmen making a great but very traditional car, and they outsource the engine.
Ferrari is way more innovative, ie full CF, automated tranny, in-house high-tech engine, super modern aerodynamics. Very nice, and very epxensive to develop. Anyone in the know care to compare how many people R&Ded the cars and for how long?
Not that I wouldn't take the Zonda over the Enzo.
Actually the Pagani is loaded with CF as well its just that they coat all that CF with the worlds most georgous leather You are right the Egnine is a outsourced to AMG but I dont think AMG is giving it away for free! The latest version of the Zonda now has 900 kg of downforce at 200 mph which I believe beats the Enzos 600 kg.
 
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I was not able to find information on what you guys are speaking of? What did I miss?
 
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Originally posted by speedplay
I was not able to find information on what you guys are speaking of? What did I miss?
In short, Ferrari has decided to build a 400th Enzo, to be donated to charity for the tsunami victims.

Finality, I'm pretty sure buying the engines from AMG is MUCH cheaper than hiring a whole crew of engineers for a few years (at the very least).
Actually, come to think of it...Pagani's only revenue is a few cars a year, and they have to pay for the building(s) and crew ... whereas Ferrari has much more revenue, but already has most buildings and such. I guess F1 costs a crapload!!! lol

Downforce is an interesting value, but I'd be curious to know the SCx of both too.
 
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