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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 01:52 PM
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K16 Blow through

Hi all,
What benefit if any would I get from running a tuned K16 Car with the blow through system. ie Air pickups in front if the IC's. I intend to mod in the future, bigger Turbos etc so I will probably go down this route anyway.
What are the down sides of running blow through. I am thinking reliability, MAF's, dirt & water from rear wheels, re tune, etc etc.
What sort of cost??
Thanks in advance,
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it would not be worth it on k 16 . turbos arent big enough to really take advantage of all those mods . 18g and up for the blow through..

reliability ? no issues from what i heard and know of and i have had it for a few years.
maf is bulletproof since you swap it out for the big ford maf so it more reliable then the stock one. no issues with the dirt or water really ...some may argue that the filter may come off without you knowing and suck up debris but... neevr heard of that happening and you could always check , pretty simple.

retune yes you will need , but not sure thats a downside (other then money).another reason i would wait to do eveyrything at once so you dont need a re tune again...
 
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Originally Posted by unvmy996
it would not be worth it on k 16 . turbos arent big enough to really take advantage of all those mods . 18g and up for the blow through..

reliability ? no issues from what i heard and know of and i have had it for a few years.
maf is bulletproof since you swap it out for the big ford maf so it more reliable then the stock one. no issues with the dirt or water really ...some may argue that the filter may come off without you knowing and suck up debris but... neevr heard of that happening and you could always check , pretty simple.

retune yes you will need , but not sure thats a downside (other then money).another reason i would wait to do eveyrything at once so you dont need a re tune again...
Cool, thanks for that reply very informative. I will inwardly digest and take note of your advise.
Thanks again.
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no problem frank. take your time on these things it will save you money in the end.
 
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Originally Posted by Sunnyside
Hi all,
What benefit if any would I get from running a tuned K16 Car with the blow through system. ie Air pickups in front if the IC's. I intend to mod in the future, bigger Turbos etc so I will probably go down this route anyway.
What are the down sides of running blow through. I am thinking reliability, MAF's, dirt & water from rear wheels, re tune, etc etc.
What sort of cost??
Thanks in advance,
Frank

Frank,
I have this system on my car for 6 years(1000rwhp)... I also make them as well...
If you look at the top 5 most powerful P cars they all have this approach... Intake above ICs... hhm.. you think $120K build would not be scrutinized if it was defective? inferior?

Benefits? 400 rpms faster spool... cooler air into the turbo.... short 13" vs 3 to 5 feet of intake on top of a hot motor...
The Y pipe/Maf can read almost twice as much air vs stock Maf... thus you can run different boost levels (fuel dependent)... this is a no brainer...
Our mafs with this intake was scrutinized in the past year or so.. so I went out to prove that thats is not the case if done right... here is a link to my thread.. you will see that drivability is NOt an issue as some suggested... vacuum leaks and bigger TBs do have sometimes mess with Idle...
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-drivable.html

Now that you looked over the thread.. Ill answer other questions...
Debris? dirt? Again if the plastic is cut right, all the parts are made accordingly.... I do not see any issues... heck, a filter is a filter.. what makes you think that debris will not fall into your stock intake? Have you looked recently... You will be surprised to see what you find... so sure, maintenance is important but that goes for every set up not just the blow thru...
Also, some rubbing in the intake may occur.. I agree.. but then you shouldnt be running 19"s without spacers in that case.... My point is.. there are a few of us that make/sell this system... make sure you get all the answers, instructions, diagrams... install pics.. so you can successfully do it the first time...
Anyone that wants 600+rwhp should be looking into some form of maf, fuel, intake upgrade...

here are some up close pics... and BTW, with this set up we can throw in a second pump and your good for 750rwhp +... and its affordable...







and this is the second pump....



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and this is my own car.. .and if its for 1000rwhp then Im sure its good for 700rwhp.... and the car ran 9s...



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Markski, there is no problem with water on this kit?

Because the air filter is in a position where water can enter easily, for example at the car wash or in a heavy rain...

Thanks!
 
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Markski, there is no problem with water on this kit?

Because the air filter is in a position where water can enter easily, for example at the car wash or in a heavy rain...

Thanks!
Kinda like a stock car at a car wash having water poured on the back deck lid?

Actually the water will not hit the filter at the carwash but it will hit the stock ICs too...
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Frank,
I have this system on my car for 6 years(1000rwhp)... I also make them as well...
If you look at the top 5 most powerful P cars they all have this approach... Intake above ICs... hhm.. you think $120K build would not be scrutinized if it was defective? inferior?

Benefits? 400 rpms faster spool... cooler air into the turbo.... short 13" vs 3 to 5 feet of intake on top of a hot motor...
The Y pipe/Maf can read almost twice as much air vs stock Maf... thus you can run different boost levels (fuel dependent)... this is a no brainer...
Our mafs with this intake was scrutinized in the past year or so.. so I went out to prove that thats is not the case if done right... here is a link to my thread.. you will see that drivability is NOt an issue as some suggested... vacuum leaks and bigger TBs do have sometimes mess with Idle...
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-drivable.html

Now that you looked over the thread.. Ill answer other questions...
Debris? dirt? Again if the plastic is cut right, all the parts are made accordingly.... I do not see any issues... heck, a filter is a filter.. what makes you think that debris will not fall into your stock intake? Have you looked recently... You will be surprised to see what you find... so sure, maintenance is important but that goes for every set up not just the blow thru...
Also, some rubbing in the intake may occur.. I agree.. but then you shouldnt be running 19"s without spacers in that case.... My point is.. there are a few of us that make/sell this system... make sure you get all the answers, instructions, diagrams... install pics.. so you can successfully do it the first time...
Anyone that wants 600+rwhp should be looking into some form of maf, fuel, intake upgrade...

here are some up close pics... and BTW, with this set up we can throw in a second pump and your good for 750rwhp +... and its affordable...







and this is the second pump....



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and this is my own car.. .and if its for 1000rwhp then Im sure its good for 700rwhp.... and the car ran 9s...



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Thanks Mark,
As usual, an excellent reply which is now saved!
I am now going to read everything again and again.......
Just to add the link you have posted I followed form your original posing. I have no worries about the idle.
Some of my latter cars had been modded so much with cams and very low compression ratios I was lucky to get a tick over lower that 1500 rpm and even lumpier than prison porridge.LOL
I take it that this system with K16's is a waste of time and money until the turbos , IC's etc have been modded.
Thanks Mark.
Frank
 

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Originally Posted by Sunnyside
Thanks Mark,

Some of my latter cars had been modded so much with cams and very low compression ratios I was lucky to get a tick over lower that 1500 rpm and even lumpier than prison porridge.LOL
I take it that this system with K16's is a waste of time and money until the turbos , IC's etc have been modded.
Thanks Mark.
Frank
Yes its a waste of money... but if you get used K24s and we throw on 20gs.. watch out... basically, anything bigger then a 18g is a good reason to do this....
mark
 
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