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Old May 6, 2013 | 02:23 AM
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Rear spoiler fix done after leaking cylinders!

My cylinders went out last summer so I just got the wing in the up position and pulled the fuse. That lasted about 6 months before the leak got worse and the spoiler wouldn't stay up any more.

Last week after much debate on getting a GT2 replacement (MAShaw probably since I have their GT2 front bumper which I've been very happy with), one of the larger fiberglass or carbon fiber wings that fit onto the existing wing, and other options, I decided to just go with the simple kit the mechanical engineer from Tampa is selling on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121088669388...84.m1439.l2649

I figured the kit was a pretty simple mechanical fix since the guy won't post pictures of the parts, and once I received it (only 4 business days after ordering), I was proven right since it's just a collection of some regular and specialized nuts, regular and lock washers, and threaded rods (solid and hollow). However, it's put together very well with good instructions and the whole thing went on within 40 minutes. It could easily be a 20-30 minute job, but since I hadn't done it before and and was being extra careful, it took a little longer.

The "failure spoiler control" messages went away immediately, and now I have downforce on my back wheels again! The price is a bit high for what you get, but at the same time, you need to account for this guy's time to engineer the fix. Personally I'm very happy to have spent only $170 (the stock height one is $150) to fix the spoiler and improve the looks of the car with the slightly higher spoiler.
 
Old May 6, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Yup, I got the stock wing height kit...and I was initially a bit shocked that my $150 bought me a small sized zip-lock bag filled with some standard hardware store bits. But like you said he took the time to design a simple fix, wrote up nice instructions, and everything went smoothly. Its not the parts you are buying but the fix.

My only gripe, is that you can't have the spoiler all the way down, the lowest position has it sitting about half an inch above the deck. With a trip to your local hardware store you can expand on his fix, and replace a few parts and then it is fixed all the way down - but if you want to raise it, you need to revert back to his design.

All in all, happy with it and more power to the guy.
 
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I was initially a bit shocked that my $150 bought me a small sized zip-lock bag filled with some standard hardware store bits.
me too. haven't needed to use it *yet* and i refuse to sell it. but yeah, a few bolts for 150 but then.. i couldn'tve made it
 
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can we see what exactly you get for the money? please post a picture- inquiring minds want to know....
 
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Originally Posted by teflon_jones
My cylinders went out last summer so I just got the wing in the up position and pulled the fuse. That lasted about 6 months before the leak got worse and the spoiler wouldn't stay up any more.

Last week after much debate on getting a GT2 replacement (MAShaw probably since I have their GT2 front bumper which I've been very happy with), one of the larger fiberglass or carbon fiber wings that fit onto the existing wing, and other options, I decided to just go with the simple kit the mechanical engineer from Tampa is selling on ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/121088669388?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p398 4.m1439.l2649

I figured the kit was a pretty simple mechanical fix since the guy won't post pictures of the parts, and once I received it (only 4 business days after ordering), I was proven right since it's just a collection of some regular and specialized nuts, regular and lock washers, and threaded rods (solid and hollow). However, it's put together very well with good instructions and the whole thing went on within 40 minutes. It could easily be a 20-30 minute job, but since I hadn't done it before and and was being extra careful, it took a little longer.

The "failure spoiler control" messages went away immediately, and now I have downforce on my back wheels again! The price is a bit high for what you get, but at the same time, you need to account for this guy's time to engineer the fix. Personally I'm very happy to have spent only $170 (the stock height one is $150) to fix the spoiler and improve the looks of the car with the slightly higher spoiler.
Just another easier-fix opinion, but while the wing is up, why not support it in that position by drilling a 1/16 inch hole through each tube and put in a 1/16th dowel pin for each tube holding the wing. This locks the wing up and just drain all the oil? Actually one could then remove the pump and lines after drainage. Any + (-) thoughts on such a process???
 
Old May 6, 2013 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cburke996
Yup, I got the stock wing height kit...and I was initially a bit shocked that my $150 bought me a small sized zip-lock bag filled with some standard hardware store bits. But like you said he took the time to design a simple fix, wrote up nice instructions, and everything went smoothly. Its not the parts you are buying but the fix.
Yeah, exactly, it's the time the guy spent to figure out how to do it that is really what you're paying for. I've done a lot of similar "hacks" on cars and other mechanical items and it can easily take a half dozen trips to the hardware store (if not a dozen or more) to get the right parts after all the trial and error, including having to go to some specialized places like machine shops that are the exact opposite of Home Decrap or Powes because a few of these parts are definitely not carried at the big box stores (or at True Value or any other chain).

I also found the instructions very clear, though they could use a couple of simple improvements. That's not a complaint, those changes would just make them 100% clearly accurate instead of 97% clearly accurate with 3% that might make you loosen a screw you didn't need to or something simple like that. Another 2-3 photos would definitely go a long way towards the 100% accuracy/easy of installation.

Originally Posted by cburke996
My only gripe, is that you can't have the spoiler all the way down, the lowest position has it sitting about half an inch above the deck. With a trip to your local hardware store you can expand on his fix, and replace a few parts and then it is fixed all the way down - but if you want to raise it, you need to revert back to his design.
What's stopping you from putting it all the way down? Is it because the bottom of the long interior bolts hit on the rear bumper cover or some other interior engine compartment surface?

Originally Posted by cburke996
All in all, happy with it and more power to the guy.
+1 to that. Isn't this just about how bumperplugs got started?

Originally Posted by '02996ttx50
me too. haven't needed to use it *yet* and i refuse to sell it. but yeah, a few bolts for 150 but then.. i couldn'tve made it
I'm a quasi-machinist and expert woodworker so something like this is well within my powers to make, but given those 6-12+ trips to stores to get parts, when I'm up in the mountains where even the closest big box store is over an hour round trip, and the specialists are closer to two, I would have spent at least $25 on 6 rounds trips or $50 on a dozen. Then there's a lot of waste material that would have been left over if I was just making one of these such as extra threaded rod and extra nuts and washers. All of the pieces are high quality stainless so the nothing is cheap. Add in probably a solid day for the design at whatever you value your Saturdays at too.

Originally Posted by richgraham
can we see what exactly you get for the money? please post a picture- inquiring minds want to know....
I've mounted mine but the good news it it's really simple to take off and adjust, which will allow you to see all of the parts. I'll go ahead and do that in the next couple of days. The seller probably won't be happy about that since he makes a point in his auction to say he doesn't post the parts on purpose because they're pretty simple and then anybody could make them, but honestly, going back to having to source all of the parts and the gas and time involved and the price really isn't that bad. I think if this takes off a bit more so he can make higher volumes the costs will come down $20-30 per kit which would definitely put it in the range of still a little pricey but worth the money.

Personally, having spent the $170 and installed one, I'd do it again because you get a good quality product that fixed a dangerous and annoying problem very quickly and simply.

One final note:
With regards to the standard height versus the taller version, I'd definitely recommend the taller one for anybody that is at all in any way looking for a little more aggressive look. Since I have the GT2 front end on my car, it overall definitely looks better with the higher spoiler height. And I believe you can still set the spoiler height to stock with the taller kit, but you won't be able to lower it down to the stock down position for sure. I think it would end up about 1.5-2" above the ducktail at the lowest setting available.
 
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Originally Posted by teflon_jones


What's stopping you from putting it all the way down? Is it because the bottom of the long interior bolts hit on the rear bumper cover or some other interior engine compartment surface?
No, its nothing like that. You know that specialized nut, that goes on the inside of the ram and pokes through the hole on the bottom? Well since it is on the inside of the ram, it takes up some of the space and doesn't allow the piston to fully retract. So the wing ends up sitting the width of that nut above the retracted position...which looks to be about half an inch.

I can try to make a drawing of it if that didnt explain it. You'll probably have to read that 5 times before it makes any sense
 
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