I'm only addressing the issue that you declined to comment on. ( but you
already did!!!)

My critique is very targeted and unambiguous. And contrary to AMS
the burden to back up claims falls squarely on the shoulders of the
marketer.

A strong business welcomes challenge. A strong business delivers more
than it promises. How can you deliver more than you promise when the
meat of your advertising promises the absolute maximum performance
that's not even applicable in real world practice?

 

Dennis Hopper: " And that make you half egg plant." lol

 

im glad someone got it !! lol

this guy !!!!

 

How about this advertisement from AMS.

This is allegedly on a stock engine with stock rods! The low end hit on these turbos
is very similar to a28s.

And 1.4 bar on pump gas

This is some of the nonsense I'm talking about

 

Looks can be deceiving for one!

Number 2 if Marski's or AMS's cooler are so great then why didn't they take my offer of putting them through an independent test against 3 other coolers?

It just makes yah think Hmmmm!

 

So you make 10K a day, that's 2.6 Million a year. You've probably wasted $5K of your time on the forums the past few days. Kid? Thank you for thinking I'm so young. Being called a kid at 40 years old is a compliment.
Oh and Arrogant?

Here is websters definition of arrogant.

ar·ro·gant adjective \ˈer-ə-gənt, ˈa-rə-\
: having or showing the insulting attitude of people who believe that they are better, smarter, or more important than other people : having or showing arrogance

What did you tell us in your few sentences.. "lol 2 days of my time would be roughly 20k. I'm in the process of opening 2 international companies, each of which are a dozen times larger than AMS."

You are so powerful Randy, my puny company is nothing compared to your empire. Who sounds arrogant here...

Take my offer, it still stands and you can come out in a month if your schedule is so busy.

 

I didn't offer up any of the aforementioned. It was a facetious response
to an equally asinine proposal. Actually, it was a response to an
indictment. You were very clear that my refusal to fly, at the drop of
a hat, to Chicago would be some form of admittance to slander.

You used words like "vacation" and "first class tickets" and cash rewards
of 10,000.00 dollars lol

And I referred to you as a young man by virtue of your seeming lack of
experience in business.

Fire with fire, if you will.

 

Why would we need someone like you to test our cores? I offered them to you at a discount but you said no...you wanted it for FREE.

I know you don't want to hear it but we dont need your testing. Furthermore what makes you think your testing is going to give superior data than our in house team of engineers, our data logging, our state of the art testing, engineering equipment and our real world testing?

How do we even know you are not going to screw up the testing and put up incorrect data or corrupt the testing? Are we to just blindly send some stranger a $5000 intercooler kit and HOPE he doesn't screw up the test and he knows what hes doing? You have been MORE than upfront since we released this product that you feel its not as good as other offerings. So now we are supposed to send our coolers to some person for testing that we;

a. Have no idea how credible they are
b. Have made it abundantly clear they want to disprove them
c. Have no idea that they are even going to test them correctly.
d. Oh yeah...and we need to send them for free

No, thanks

We will stick with our own data, the data we know was collected and recorded the right way.

Our lack of involvement in your "test" isn't an admission of an inferior product no matter how much you want it to be. It's a waste of our time and money. If you want to buy our product and test it you will have to buy it like any other customer right there on our website.

 

AMS,,Not to get off of this hot topic,,LOL,,
BUT do you guys still work with Tony/EPL on tuning 996Turbos OR do you do it yourselves now?

 

Let's quit the games and get to the truth.

Bonafide TRUE 16 billets will not make 800 hp in the real world on the real streets.

Bonafide TRUE alpha28 turbos will not make 900 hp in the real world on the real
streets.

Remember, you are on a 996 forum. Smallish turbos e.g 28s and 16s hit hard
down low. Either of these power levels would be unsafe on a stock 996TT
motor. Running 1.7 bar on a stock engine? And stock rods? uh no.

I just posted an AMS graph of a stock 996TT running 1.4 bar on pump gas. Uh no.

Your GTR numbers have gone to your head. I am no armchair quarterback. I've
put my money where my mouth is and I've made mistakes. I've been owning and
modifying Porsches since 1993. You guys jumped on the Porsche bandwagon a
few years back. I would bet that you never personally owned a Porsche and the
first time you worked on one was in 09.

However, you are welcome to drive one of your "900" hp cars down here and I'll
race you with my 900 hp Porsche for 10k. I'll be glad to hand you your *** and take
your money.

Here's my dyno graph rwhp

 

btw, your "900 hp" 997 turbo pulled a 5.32 60-130. My 900 hp 996 Porsche did it in
4.65 seconds. Wow, a 900 hp 996 turbo totally creams a 900hp 997 turbo?

And my 650whp (740 crank) 996 turbo did it in 5.35 and your 900 hp 997 turbo did
it in 5.32

You only beat me by 3/100ths with 160 more crank hp?

At best, your Porsche effort sucks lol

 

Well I don't know were to go from here. I have nothing against you even with you bashing us, and you deem us as the most evil liars in the Porsche community. It seems you've gone through a lot in the car modding world to get where you are. You've probably been oversold, over promised, under delivered. I can see where you're skepticism would come from.

I'm not sure what else I can say or do to convince you otherwise. Just keep your eyes open in the near future for more builds and track results. Results speak for themselves. I'm not sure if you've seen it but there is a review by a 997tt customer in the 997 section, he put almost 10,000 miles on his Alpha9 (A28) setup, making over 700whp on pump gas, and yes it's a stock engine. Is that arrogant or deceitful advertising? Yes, he runs 1.4 bar on his engine the entire time, and as he mentions, he beats on the car a lot.

Stock EVO X's will run 23-24psi peak. New M5's run 18psi. The new MB CLA45 runs 26psi from the factory. The new Audi S3 runs something around 25-26psi also. If you have the correct components in place and correct tuning, higher boost isn't instant death like everyone here seems to think.

-Martin

 

I think you mis-understood dude I don't do the testing personally.

It is independent!

The cores are setup in a wind tunnel.

From the companies website.

"All our test rig equipment is calibrated to recognised standards in accordance with ISO 17025, meaning all equipment is traceable to National Standards. The Calibration laboratory also holds UKAS accreditation for a variety of parameters.

The facility is one of a few truly independent laboratories offering calorimetric services for OEMs, R&D establishments, motorsport and passenger car manufacturers.
The charge cooler facility for air to air and air to water coolers can be adapted to suit varying sizes and design complexity for a host of industries. A continuing upgrade programme ensures the facility remains one of Europe’s leading calorimetric testing establishments. Extensive capabilities exist within the laboratory to cover brick and full-face intercoolers and charge coolers.
Test reports present all the data in tabular and graphical formats, covering air-side pressure drop, charge side pressure drop, heat rejection performance, heat dissipation and thermal efficiency.
Calorimetric testing is an important process in the successful development of high efficiency chargecoolers and enables manufacturers to optimise the trade off between airside pressure drop and charge pressure drop."

Tell me why should I pay for you to prove that coolers are what they say they are on the tin?

ONE minute you are offering Layinback $10,000 and a holiday the next minute you are being a cheap skate to put your IC's through a stringent test, the same test I put my IC's, GT2 RS IC'S and Techart IC's!

No manipulation done!

UNDERSTAND INDEPENDENT!

in·de·pen·dent
adj.1. Not governed by a foreign power; self-governing.
2. Free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant: an independent mind.
3. Not determined or influenced by someone or something else; not contingent: a decision independent of the outcome of the study.
4. often Independent Affiliated with or loyal to no one political party or organization.
5. Not dependent on or affiliated with a larger or controlling entity: an independent food store; an independent film.

So to prove that a product is better Vs another I don't think you will find a better test unfortunately.

 

Well see this is where you're just starting to be a downright A-hole.
You won't even answer 1 question about your car.
So if we gutted our 997, converted it to 2wd, and did a ton of other stuff to optimize for 60-130, and pulled a way better time.. then you call us liars too, because that's not a realistic # that everyone can attain.

You wont say what was done to your car, weight, track times, anything. Maybe you are being deceitful here.

lets look below again at your claims..

You said you went 5.87 at 650 crank horsepower, Look at the 60-130 list of other cars. 997tt stock - 9.5 seconds, 997 Turbo S (530hp) 8.2 seconds, 997 GT2 RS (rated at 620hp) 7.1 seconds.

Either you make a lot more power, the OEM's are lying about their power, or your car is gutted tin can to go that fast. But then you won't tell us anything so you're a total liar.

EDIT, I see on the 60-130 listing your car is listed as 2WD.. 'cmon that's not realistic. How many people gut their car and take the AWD stuff out of their car? Such an unrealistic # and you're misleading people here. I wonder what else you've taken out of your car.

fire with fire my friend.

-Martin

 

ONE minute you are offering Layinback $10,000 and a holiday the next minute you are being a cheap skate to put your IC's through a stringent test, the same test I put my IC's, GT2 RS IC'S and Techart IC's!

Nick, He only offered it to me because I am a tall handsome millionaire genius.
And the nerve of him calling me arrogant.