800 hp on K16 Billets?
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Well see this is where you're just starting to be a downright A-hole.
You won't even answer 1 question about your car.
So if we gutted our 997, converted it to 2wd, and did a ton of other stuff to optimize for 60-130, and pulled a way better time.. then you call us liars too, because that's not a realistic # that everyone can attain.
You wont say what was done to your car, weight, track times, anything. Maybe you are being deceitful here.
lets look below again at your claims..
You said you went 5.87 at 650 crank horsepower, Look at the 60-130 list of other cars. 997tt stock - 9.5 seconds, 997 Turbo S (530hp) 8.2 seconds, 997 GT2 RS (rated at 620hp) 7.1 seconds.
Either you make a lot more power, the OEM's are lying about their power, or your car is gutted tin can to go that fast. But then you won't tell us anything so you're a total liar.
EDIT, I see on the 60-130 listing your car is listed as 2WD.. 'cmon that's not realistic. How many people gut their car and take the AWD stuff out of their car? Such an unrealistic # and you're misleading people here. I wonder what else you've taken out of your car.
fire with fire my friend.
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You won't even answer 1 question about your car.
So if we gutted our 997, converted it to 2wd, and did a ton of other stuff to optimize for 60-130, and pulled a way better time.. then you call us liars too, because that's not a realistic # that everyone can attain.
You wont say what was done to your car, weight, track times, anything. Maybe you are being deceitful here.
lets look below again at your claims..
You said you went 5.87 at 650 crank horsepower, Look at the 60-130 list of other cars. 997tt stock - 9.5 seconds, 997 Turbo S (530hp) 8.2 seconds, 997 GT2 RS (rated at 620hp) 7.1 seconds.
Either you make a lot more power, the OEM's are lying about their power, or your car is gutted tin can to go that fast. But then you won't tell us anything so you're a total liar.
EDIT, I see on the 60-130 listing your car is listed as 2WD.. 'cmon that's not realistic. How many people gut their car and take the AWD stuff out of their car? Such an unrealistic # and you're misleading people here. I wonder what else you've taken out of your car.
fire with fire my friend.
-Martin
but I'm not selling anything, am I?
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ONE minute you are offering Layinback $10,000 and a holiday the next minute you are being a cheap skate to put your IC's through a stringent test, the same test I put my IC's, GT2 RS IC'S and Techart IC's!
Nick, He only offered it to me because I am a tall handsome millionaire genius.
And the nerve of him calling me arrogant.
Nick, He only offered it to me because I am a tall handsome millionaire genius.
And the nerve of him calling me arrogant.
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I have a full carpeted interior, kick-*** aftermarket stereo with sub and 10 speaker,
a/c etc.... nothing is "stripped"
My car is daily driven. I have some weight savings and a few performance mods.
a/c etc.... nothing is "stripped"
My car is daily driven. I have some weight savings and a few performance mods.
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Oh, and my car hits 100 mph in 5.2 seconds flat and 100kph - 200 kph comes up in 3.95. Probably faster than your 900 hp
GTR.
GTR.
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And the secret is torque. The gt2rs makes a little over 500 ft lbs and my car makes
900+ ft lbs.
But you're the tuner....... not me
900+ ft lbs.
But you're the tuner....... not me
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Martin,
You fly down to Birmingham, coach of course. ( I may have a few delta points to pitch in.)
I'll put you up at the motel 6 and I'll take you out to eat to the waffle house. First class all
the way..... and if your car beats mine, I've got about 30 bucks left on a Wal-Mart gift card
from Christmas, and I'll split it with you.
And if you don't take me up on my offer, you are a satan worshipping pedophile communist
who loves beating up downs syndrome kids.
You fly down to Birmingham, coach of course. ( I may have a few delta points to pitch in.)
I'll put you up at the motel 6 and I'll take you out to eat to the waffle house. First class all
the way..... and if your car beats mine, I've got about 30 bucks left on a Wal-Mart gift card
from Christmas, and I'll split it with you.
And if you don't take me up on my offer, you are a satan worshipping pedophile communist
who loves beating up downs syndrome kids.
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The car dynoed 570rwhp I think, ran 5.87 sec on NON 7 blade hta wheels... these were blouch billets... I actually tuned it on the street ... no dyno needed.. then he came back and added used A28s and ran a 5.3xx or something like that... with our X exhaust( combo 2.5" & 3" catless) that a few like to discredit... the car was fast for the mods period...
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I had the car in my possession twice, it has a carpet, crazy stereo which I gave Randy **** about, 2wd but so is almost everyone else running fast, and he probably added 240lbs plus ( if you seen him you know).
The car dynoed 570rwhp I think, ran 5.87 sec on NON 7 blade hta wheels... these were blouch billets... I actually tuned it on the street ... no dyno needed.. then he came back and added used A28s and ran a 5.3xx or something like that... with our X exhaust( combo 2.5" & 3" catless) that a few like to discredit... the car was fast for the mods period...
markski
The car dynoed 570rwhp I think, ran 5.87 sec on NON 7 blade hta wheels... these were blouch billets... I actually tuned it on the street ... no dyno needed.. then he came back and added used A28s and ran a 5.3xx or something like that... with our X exhaust( combo 2.5" & 3" catless) that a few like to discredit... the car was fast for the mods period...
markski
People like to throw around horsepower numbers like 800 , 900 , 1000
800 crank hp in our cars is a lot and 800 wheel hp is pretty crazy.
People used to do the same **** with the 930s but it was 500, 600, 700.
My horsepower numbers are and have been real. Lol this is the first time
I've seen someone accused of underestimating hp!
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Once again proof that intelligent men can act like fools.
What a giant pile of drivel you've created here Randy, I really thought you'd grown a bit as a person, or at least forum participant.
It was a thread much like this where we had our first interaction, and I'm sure you remember the outcome of that.
It's funny to me that you make fun of Martin for making offers to pay for flights, show you empirical data, pay for the whole thing - because that's exactly the kind of **** you were talking on the thread when we became acquainted. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU WERE THE ONE GOING TO SHOW ALL US BIG HP GUYS THAT WE COULDN'T DRIVE, THAT WE WERE ALL A JOKE ETC, ETC. I then offered to race you on a Road Course of your choosing anywhere in the country and, *chirp, chirp*. Things got REAL quiet. Then there were PM's in which you basically stated ALL tuners/builders suck (except Marksi apparently) and they were all out to screw us. I still have them here somewhere I'm sure. In the PM you name EVOMS, VIVID, SWITZER and OTHERS as "BUZZARDS" who are merely here to feed off us poor dumb car enthusiasts.
Now its AMS' turn I guess? I'm all for a good open discussion regarding products (sub par exhausts & cats for example), but when you start telling a person, or a business that they are flat out lying and then start the schoolyard BS - it's enough. It's really enough. You have had a "run in" at one time or another with almost everyone in the thread, I get it, its your thing. To go on a "smear campaign" (remember that quote?) against a vendor is just bull****. If you don't believe their numbers - feel free to question them, but please do so in a respectful manner.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I just had a BIG build finished at AMS, a BIG build. They are without a doubt the most straightforward, transparent, no bull**** builder/tuner I have ever dealt with. I consider Eric a friend, and I respect Martin for the business and business culture he has created. As far as you ranking on them about "Jap" this and "Jap" that - its firstly an OFFENSIVE RACIST term and secondly attempts to discount the achievements they've made - you are better than that man, try to show it.
If AMS wants to do well in the Porsche game, they will on their own merits. The amount of engineering, modeling, finite element analysis, and street R & D that they are willing to do is second to none - except maybe Stuttgart.
Happy New Year everyone!
Mike
What a giant pile of drivel you've created here Randy, I really thought you'd grown a bit as a person, or at least forum participant.
It was a thread much like this where we had our first interaction, and I'm sure you remember the outcome of that.
It's funny to me that you make fun of Martin for making offers to pay for flights, show you empirical data, pay for the whole thing - because that's exactly the kind of **** you were talking on the thread when we became acquainted. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU WERE THE ONE GOING TO SHOW ALL US BIG HP GUYS THAT WE COULDN'T DRIVE, THAT WE WERE ALL A JOKE ETC, ETC. I then offered to race you on a Road Course of your choosing anywhere in the country and, *chirp, chirp*. Things got REAL quiet. Then there were PM's in which you basically stated ALL tuners/builders suck (except Marksi apparently) and they were all out to screw us. I still have them here somewhere I'm sure. In the PM you name EVOMS, VIVID, SWITZER and OTHERS as "BUZZARDS" who are merely here to feed off us poor dumb car enthusiasts.
Now its AMS' turn I guess? I'm all for a good open discussion regarding products (sub par exhausts & cats for example), but when you start telling a person, or a business that they are flat out lying and then start the schoolyard BS - it's enough. It's really enough. You have had a "run in" at one time or another with almost everyone in the thread, I get it, its your thing. To go on a "smear campaign" (remember that quote?) against a vendor is just bull****. If you don't believe their numbers - feel free to question them, but please do so in a respectful manner.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I just had a BIG build finished at AMS, a BIG build. They are without a doubt the most straightforward, transparent, no bull**** builder/tuner I have ever dealt with. I consider Eric a friend, and I respect Martin for the business and business culture he has created. As far as you ranking on them about "Jap" this and "Jap" that - its firstly an OFFENSIVE RACIST term and secondly attempts to discount the achievements they've made - you are better than that man, try to show it.
If AMS wants to do well in the Porsche game, they will on their own merits. The amount of engineering, modeling, finite element analysis, and street R & D that they are willing to do is second to none - except maybe Stuttgart.
Happy New Year everyone!
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Finally some information out of you so we can sort through your BS. So you're saying that when you were making 650crank HP on your K16 based turbos you were making 900+ ft lbs? Well well, the person saying that running these K16 turbo's to death and maxing them out isn't realistic and people don't run them like that. That's how you got your quick 6-130 time on those K16 (besides your car being light weight and 2wd), you ran the most boost those thing could put out to get that torque. 900ft-lbs.. lets see. you were probably spiking close to 30psi and then boost dropped like a rock to low 20's as the turbo's were maxed out. 900 ft-lbs..650hp.. congrats, you just gave your Porsche a diesel powerband.
If you've looked at the internals of a diesel, which make lots of torque, you'll see how beefy and heavy it all is. It needs that to put up with all the cylinder pressure to make that torque. making more HP up top is much easier on the engine than making lots of torque down low. How many headgaskets did you go through playing with your car?
And that's why you have no quarter mile time or mph.. because you make lots of torque and little HP. Your speed would show that, and anything in the higher RPM range would show up as crappy MPH or crappy high speed pulls (on your claimed 900+ ftlbs and 650hp)
I'll be glad to race your car with a GTR or a Porsche, let's set something up.
-Martin
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Finally some information out of you so we can sort through your BS. So you're saying that when you were making 650crank HP on your K16 based turbos you were making 900+ ft lbs? Well well, the person saying that running these K16 turbo's to death and maxing them out isn't realistic and people don't run them like that. That's how you got your quick 6-130 time on those K16 (besides your car being light weight and 2wd), you ran the most boost those thing could put out to get that torque. 900ft-lbs.. lets see. you were probably spiking close to 30psi and then boost dropped like a rock to low 20's as the turbo's were maxed out. 900 ft-lbs..650hp.. congrats, you just gave your Porsche a diesel powerband.
If you've looked at the internals of a diesel, which make lots of torque, you'll see how beefy and heavy it all is. It needs that to put up with all the cylinder pressure to make that torque. making more HP up top is much easier on the engine than making lots of torque down low. How many headgaskets did you go through playing with your car?
And that's why you have no quarter mile time or mph.. because you make lots of torque and little HP. Your speed would show that, and anything in the higher RPM range would show up as crappy MPH or crappy high speed pulls (on your claimed 900+ ftlbs and 650hp)
I'll be glad to race your car with a GTR or a Porsche, let's set something up.
-Martin
If you've looked at the internals of a diesel, which make lots of torque, you'll see how beefy and heavy it all is. It needs that to put up with all the cylinder pressure to make that torque. making more HP up top is much easier on the engine than making lots of torque down low. How many headgaskets did you go through playing with your car?
And that's why you have no quarter mile time or mph.. because you make lots of torque and little HP. Your speed would show that, and anything in the higher RPM range would show up as crappy MPH or crappy high speed pulls (on your claimed 900+ ftlbs and 650hp)
I'll be glad to race your car with a GTR or a Porsche, let's set something up.
-Martin